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I also would like to hear from somebody with experiance . The differance betwen these two mills. The Grand carpet mill is alot cheeper. Is it as free spinning as the colby mill????

 

You'll spend more money on the Colby mill but they are built realy well. Shady the one big benefit would be that the Colby's are in your back yard so to speak, its alot closer and could aquire one quicker and any thing that is needed will be at your finger tips.

I like the structure of the Colby mill and yes it moves pretty easy. I cannot compare the two as to I have never seen the grand carpet mill up close and working. From what I understand the Grand Carpet mill is the best bang for the buck.

 

Something else that comes to mind, if you have a dog that will not run on a slat mill that free spining, I would think a carpet mill would be out of the question as it is going to require more work. These are also very easy to make, we have made several, relatively inexpensive. If you go to lowes and get that smooth laminated wood and use as your surface with 5 inch pvc pipe, front and back the carpet spins rather easy, just frame with 2x4s and add sides if you would like. I would encourage the sides. I will see if I cant get some pictures up.

 

I would love to see those pics........

 

well we are walking with them now. But its getting very hot out so between the heat and other ppls dogs it getting harder.they love walking as they look around ect.

Iam starting to think of buying a grand carpetmill right now. as time goes by i'll get a slat mill.but there just to much $$ right now.plus i kind of need alittle more muscle on them and we will still walk and do other things.and if i can get my emill fixed that will be used to.

 

Make sure and empty the dogs before running any kind of mill you can damage kidneys and such if the dog doesnt empty before they begin to run the mill. All in all i think mills are excellent tools for you to work a dog and you wont regret the money spent im sure.

 

Dont forget carpet mills can burn a dogs pads.I prefer a rubber belt mill.Slat mills can rip a dogs toenails off if the slats are a little too far apart.Cant go wrong with a belt mill.

 

Old thread but new ?. Any of yall have expirence with one of these?
http://pitbullkorner.homestead.com/

 

Any exercise done anaerobicly can be done aerobicly but any exercise done done aerobicly can't be done anaerobicly.

 

I dont but i have heard good things. I am pretty sure the maker of those posts on ROM

 

No, but Danny is a real nice guy. I talked with him and his kennel partner at a show. I could've listened to their stories all day long.

 

It doesnt matter WHAT type of mill as long as it's free turning / spinning lol

 

CR can you expand on how a free spinning or turning mill is better than a carpet mill? Last time I checked no aerobic exercise has that has one advantage over an anaerobic excercise but there are many advantages anaerobic has over aerobic exercise.

 

I cant speak on slatmills,as I have very little expirience with them,but I can attest to the fact that the Grand Carpet mill is a quality piece of equiptment..Just make sure you know how to PROPERLY use one..

Lots of hand walking,a bycycle,and a Grand Carpet mill is all you need to put one in top form..

 

I love the slat mill... I borrowed a RRC mill i loved it so much , i tried to copy demensions..but was unable to .....Damn hydroponics...dont lemme get shit accomplished... I like the Colby C mill , its pretty quiet..(.living room quiet while the warden is watching tv and not compalining quiet.)

 

cutt you're a funny mofo! Ive heard a couple of good things about the grand carpet, but see to many fuzzy butts on the site. I was doubting their "bulldogginess". Thanks for the input all.

 

Because you honestly arent trying to build muscle when you use a mill...thats not it's purpose

You can overwork a dog on a mill which isn't good and one that is not as free spinning is much easier to hurt a dog on that one that is..

What I am simply saying is Any mill can be free spinning..it doesn't matter slat or carpet or belt.. allthough slat is usually the prefered choice in the matter. Allthough with one that is not so easy to turn, your dog works less time.. There's no right or wrong choice, no get this one over this one.. Its all preference..

A mill is just ONE PART of the conditioning process. One simply does not slap their dog on a mill and expect results.. I'm sure you know this. Its a whole process involving the correct feed, schedule and other activities like flirt pole, hand walking.. I'm sure others have come up with creative ideas.

Every type of mill out there has been used with every type of results imaginable. Again, there's no right or wrong answer, just one's personal choice on the matter.

 

CR you made this debate too easy. In this post I will break down scientific FACTS so anyone can understand.

Anaerobic(carpet mill) workout can be done aerobicly. Aerobic workout(slat mill) CAN'T be done anaerobicly.

Anaerobic workouts are called high intensity training(HIT) and aerobic workouts are called low intensity training(LIT).

CR wrote
Because you honestly arent trying to build muscle when you use a mill...thats not it's purpose

*One of the biggest wive's tales I have heard in the dogs is you can make a dog too musclebound, this is FALSE! You CAN'T manipulate a canine's muscles to the exaggerated proportions of a human bodybuilder. You also CAN'T increase muscle size to the point where it decreases performance.

When you put a dog on a mill you DO want to build muscle. The reason why besides the added power and strength building muscle burns fat at a higher rate and 24/7. I wanted to touch on that because when I break down HIT vs LIT workouts you will see how it makes sense and is a scientific fact.

Ok let's breakdown the pros and cons of a slatmill workout(LIT).
PROS
- burns body fat
- increases cardiovascular function
CONS
- decreases muscle mass
- decreases strength
- decreases power
- decreases anaerobic capacity
- decreases speed
- decreases fast twitch muscles

Now let's breakdown the pros and cons of a carpetmill workout(HIT).
PROS
- burns body fat
- increases cardiovascular funtion
- increases muscle mass
- increases strength
- increases power
- increases speed
- increases anaerobic capacity & recovery
- increases fast twitch muscles
CONS
- NONE

HIT workouts build muscle and because of this burns body fat at a much higher rate than LIT. HIT workouts increases metabolism after workouts and if done properly will burn body fat at a higher rate than during LIT workouts. While RESTING hours after an HIT workout the body will burn more fat than during a LIT workout. This means Fido after a HIT workout resting while being petted on the chain is actually burning more fat than a dog running a slatmill. The dog will burn fat up to 8 hours after a HIT workout while the dog that ran the slatmill will burn fat only during his workout.

If this was pre 1976 and matching of canines was legal let's breakdown the advantages of HIT workouts.

The last time I checked two canines fighting is an anaerobic activity. Besides the obvious increase in strength, power, speed the most important function is anaerobic recovery. Anaerobic recovery is basically the ability to do an anaerobic function at a very high rate rest and do it again over and over. Let's say you have a hard charging Eli chest dog that drives and jams his opponent. The dog will need very little rest between driving due to his high anaerobic recovery ability. Also studies have shown that extensive LIT workouts will actually change some fast twitch muscles to slow twitch which is counter productive in an anaerobic activity where you need all the fast twitch muscles as possible.

The million dollar question is how can you condition a dog aerobicly while on an anaerobic device? I will be honest it will require more interaction than just pulling up a chair next to a slatmill. I personally use two techniques High Volume Training(HVT) and German Volume Training(GVT). If I had more time I would go into them but both can be pulled up by Google, Yahoo or Ask.com.

A carpetmill is the only mill I will ever use because of it's advantages over a slatmill. All it takes is a little common sense and research anyone can put a dog in top shape. CR you are right it is a personal preference but when the facts are on the table the answer to carpet vs slat is SIMPLE!

 

I have a slatmill, but have seen carpet mills that are more free spinning than it is!

 

Crazy horse, What carpet mill do you recomend???