supplements for conditioning

i was just wondering if bodybuilding suppliments such as creatine, l-glutamine & powdered protein, HMB , vitamin & mineral, or meal replacement packs and etc were a commonly used for dogs when they are conditioning for a show or pull? i was just thinking that since alot of people use them for fitness goals. it could help the dogs as well. any thoughts?

 

RF-1 is all you need. Everything rolled into one.

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1/2 of what you mentioned are not healthy by any means. And to be quite frank, if I may? Regular "quality" feed, exercise and genetics will play a bigger role than all of that crap!
It has been from my experience that dogs do not need supplements if they are being fed properly and exercised. They, more often than not, do more harm than they do good.

As far as the RF-1 goes, I have many stories about that. I would not give it to my dog if it were the last thing on earth! Some buddies of mine used to use it, until they saw no results, but problems instead and the price is about ridiculous!

 

I'm gonna disagree. Nothing he mentioned is unhealthy. If it is, then everyone would be sick as creatine is found in all meats and l-glutamine is the most abundant amino acid found in skeletal muscles (+61%) and is found in a variety of everyday foods. Protein powder is basically a filtered powdered milk. Of course, it's a little more technical that, but you get the idea. HMB has no known side effects. Please provide sources or it's just baseless assumptions. I get tired of people dogging on supplements with no merit. The only one that can cause side effects is creatine. And as long as the dog is well hydrated, you won't have a problem.

OP- Yes, they are fine to use. Just make sure you cut the dosages for the dogs size as those supplements are designed for dogs and we weigh 4-5x as much. I would take out the multi-vitamin/mineral and switch it for one formulated for a dog.

You can also "home brew" your own RF-1 for a fraction of the cost and it'd also be more potent.

 

of course supplements work! rf-1 is good and so is vertex!

 

There Was A keep going around a few years back that used some of those products most could be bought @ health stores

 

We use Vertex and have often thought of using L-Glutamine after a pull or strenoud exercise.

 

Creatine is not healthy.

 

Right... :rolleyes:

Hope you're giving up red meats and fish.

 

A natural amount is fine, when you start supplementing it is not healthy.

 

There is a guy that goes to shows that sells K-9 gold and other products similar that i have used in the past and found good results (Puppy Gold).

 

You got a point and I believe in that to some degree.

YIS

 

I agree once again....RF-1 is the only supplement I use to add to my raw/kibble feed and a ounce of water per 2 lbs of bodyweight!
I feed mostly raw and only add kibble to increase weight if I need too!

YIS

 

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']RF-1 contains 4% Micronized Creatine Monohydrate, loads of scientifically profiled Amino Acids, abundant Omega 3 and MCT Fats, Growth and Immune Factors from Bovine Colostrum, generous amounts of Vitamins and Chelated Minerals (3x MDR rate per calorie!), and powerful Antioxidants that boost health, strength, endurance, and recovery in dogs 4 months and older! Vacuum packed and Nitrogen flushed for freshness!

INGREDIENTS

USDA Human grade cooked Chicken, USDA Human grade cooked Chicken Liver, low lactose, high whey, high casein Milk Protein Isolate, low ash blend of Glucose Polymers, and 10 DE Maltodextrin, USDA Human grade, spray-dried Chicken Fat, Organic, cold-pressed Flax seed oil, organic Flax Seed meal, Calcium Carbonate, Monosodium Phosphate, Micronized Creatine Monohydrate, Potassium Chloride, Bovine Colostrum, DL-Methionine, MCT’s, Zinc Proteinate, Ascorbic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Glucosamine, Copper Proteinate, DL Alpha Tocopherol Acetate, Niacin, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin, Calcium Iodate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin D-1, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione.

100 GRAMS OF
RF-1 Contains:
Calories:517
Protein: 35%
Fat: 32%
Carbohydrate: 20%
Fiber: 1.34%
Lactose: 1.73%
Moisture: 4%
Ash: 4%

RF-1 meets all of your dogs nutritional requirements (except calories) in 1/3 the calories! In other words, if you have a dog that requires 1500 calories a day, you can feed 500 calories a day of RF-1 and 1000 calories of any other food (bread, etc) and your dog will have a balanced diet![/FONT]

 

1 cup dry egg noodles(Please know you do cook them)
1/2 cup top of line kibble With cobalt!(take away 48 hrs from show)
1 tbsp coconut oil
1 lg boneless chicken brest RAW cut up
1 oz per lb body wt of h2o (not per 2 lb) take away last 24 hr
1 50mg DMG
1 50mg potassium (crushed)
This is the evening feeding I always feed twice a day for a good program. The morning would be a nice portion of lean vinison to keep the body in a good anaerobic state, you may have to adjust this to your dog. Add or take away. Allways keep good freash water for them and keep them clean. This a all natural keep (no steriods)That works very well for getting your dog show ready. Dogs dont need a whole lot of crap they do very well on basic feed of raw only they are just dogs. YIS J

 

Wow! Never thought Id see that posted in the public forum.

 

Hey great post TripleJ i will definatly try that out for show time. Have you ever used steroids before a show?

 

Not trying to get on your case but please provide evidence that it is unhealthy. If there is no evidence, it is an unfounded assumption. And you know what they say about assuming. However, there is a point of diminishing returns. When an excess occurs, there will be cramping and possible diarrhea but this is due to the nature of creatine and its influences on water in the body. The simple solution to this is to either hydrate yourself or discontinue use until the body is rehydrated.

 

i supplement with creatine and have since high school, monohydrate and now CEE. i would also like to see your published medical reports and not just hearsay regarding the use of creatine. if it was so bad for you the FDA would have banned it a long time ago, it has been under the microscope before. please back up your claims with fact.

also, if you dont know about creatine, why would yo inquire about the illegal use of compounds such as steroids? the research and science behind the use of those drugs is far more complex that that of creatine supplementation.

 

I wouldn't trust the FDA on banning things b/c they are bad for you. lol. They keep multi vitamins on the shelf but steroids are banned. More people are sent to the emergency room for multis than steroids. Of course alcohol is 1st on the list, then cocaine, then weed, etc... But, when the courts were hearing testimonies on steroids and if they should be banned, the FDA and another agency said they shouldn't be. The courts then dismissed their experts and banned them anyway.

I highly suggest watching the documentary "Bigger, Faster, Stronger".