Dogs from Tatonka kennel (sorrell blood)

Where is your solid proof? If not this is what they call dry snitching and it can be a law suit for slander... again where is the solid proof?

I don't have any info on it so I don't know :rolleyes:

 

Well we all know Dianne Jesup marty. Why would a kennel like them be associated with a person like her? And then she is apart of the raid on PP. It all goes hand in hand you dont have to be to smart to figure that one out. Its almost like all bulldogers and PETA being best freinds it just doesnt sound right does it?

 

I want proof not hear say!

 

Marty!

Have you ever had of something called circumstancial evidence?

 

First off, the wink, wink "winning dog, I meant show or weight pull" method of talking about dogfighting on this board is gone and will not be allowed, at least if I catch it. Second, what Joanie and Diane have in common is that Diane has (as far as I know) the worlds only gamebred Sch.III dog who happens to be a pure Sorrells dog and when Diane started a breeding program she contacted Joanie to help her which Joanie did.

In being ready to show outrage over Dianes flirtation with the HSUS (which I fully understand) people forget why someone like Joanie would help her. She (Diane) is about the only person doing very high level obedience with gameline pitbulls and she even has them working in law enforcement. She is putting a legal face on the breed and I suspect that Joanie thought that was a good thing. All the help Joanie gave her was before Diane became friendly with the HSUS as far as I know.

That information is not top secret either and rather than look at themselves people point the finger at Diane, Joanie.

I use the phrase look at themselves because the people screaming the loudest are the very ones getting people busted by being unable to keep themselves from discussing criminal activities in an open, public forum. And that pisses me off to no end since it makes the site and the breed look like it is in the hands of unrepentant criminals.

 

Please clarify for me. Are you saying that any mention of "wins" will automatically be perseived as dog fighting talk? In other words, we are guilty until proven innocent?

I am sure you know my words are chosen not usually spewed. Yet, i see people talking of wins without "clarifying" the field. Why should they? Are we to act according to how our enemies want us to act, write, and speak? Should we loose (not speak) words such as "Work", "Win", "Hard-mouthed", "Rough", "Barnburner", "Game", "Deep game", "Dead game", "Scratch", etc?

I will reserve my comments on Joannie since I have already stated my opinion on guilt by association. I will say that whatever Diane attempted to do with her activities are nullified by spitting at the work and tribulations of dog men.

I will leave you with this excerpt from Melanie and Pat Patrick:

Have a look at this. Cover of SDJ, Sorrells Ch Raisin, looking very much worse for wear. Hes all over Diane Jessup's pedigrees and Joanie's peds too. The gruesome twosome, while the HSUS dubs them dog heros fighting the great battle to massacre pit bulls that belong to innocent people. The lies and hypocrisy are just plain amazin'.These two ladies have more Chs in their peds than anybody. If that means they are breeding for fights, then why are they still out there? Jessup has a big section of her site devoted to how use spring poles, treadmills, all of it. I thought that meant you were a dogfighter? No, not if you are among the anointed.If you belong to the HS you can have pit bulls. We know who does. And we know WHERE they are. IF you are going to have people to decide who is a dog fighter, how about not using your own that are immune from harm? HMM?

 

No, that statement would be incorrect. Diane does not own or has not owned the "only" gamebred Sch III dog. (or sch I, II for that matter) Here is one.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=7484

 

Congrats to that dog, thats why I added the "as far as I know" to it. Sch I and II are more common titles and I'm pretty sure there are some dogs down from Gamblers Virgil that have those titles. Thanks for the clarification.

 

Can somebody tell me what the HSUS stand for, haven´t heard of it?

 

"All the help Joanie gave her was before Diane became friendly with the HSUS as far as I know." (Pennsooner)

then you dont know much, she has talked about her in many ADBA Gazettes, interviewing her and always saying what an asset to the breed she is. Joanie brags about her relationship with Diane is her full page puppy sale ads in the magazine as well, many times.

you feel its your duty to down play what it really is because you have dogs directly from the enemy (Diane Jessup), thats what you've said anyway

Cynthia feels the same, she has "Sorrells" dogs either from Joanie or Totanka "Sorrells" dogs from someone else, so she feels the need to back someone thats behind the breedings of her dogs

*Ask yourself why the Patricks who were friends with Joanie for decades all the sudden hate her after their dogs were taken from them? The Patricks already made their stance on their own semi private board about both Joanie and Diane Jessup but I'm not going to repeat what they said, Emily can post here if she choses as I know she's reading this thread

and off to soccer practice you go

 

"Have a look at this. Cover of SDJ, Sorrells CH Raisin, looking very much worse for wear. Hes all over Diane Jessup's pedigrees and Joanie's peds too. The gruesome twosome, while the HSUS dubs them dog heros fighting the great battle to massacre Pit bulls that belong to innocent people. The lies and hypocrisy are just plain amazin'.These two ladies have more Chs in their peds than anybody. If that means they are breeding for fights, then why are they still out there? Jessup has a big section of her site devoted to how use spring poles, treadmills, all of it. I thought that meant you were a dogfighter? No, not if you are among the anointed.If you belong to the HS you can have Pit bulls. We know who does. And we know WHERE they are. IF you are going to have people to decide who is a dog fighter, how about not using your own that are immune from harm? HMM?" (Emily/Boliodogs)

 

Rocky: I'll just address one thing. On this site phrases like "hard mouth" "game" and so on and so forth will be gone if I have anything to do with it.

Marty has done everything except beg people to quit running their mouths about dogfighting and various staff members have posted on this repeatedly.


Most people who do this are just, IMO flat out stupid but I do respect your eloquence and ability to use language and don't doubt you are an intelligent person. I don't understand why YOU (because you are clever enough to know better) would fail to get with the program. You might disagree but it isn't your site.

I fully understand, it isn't MY site either and I don't make the rules, I just try to help enforce them.

But on a personal note I don't appreciate being associated with dogfighters by some of the things people post on this site from time to time. As I've said a number of times I've never even been present at a roll nor will I ever be. If it were 80 years ago I might feel different.

For the people out there risking their necks to preserve the breed, more power to them, they should stay the hell off of the internet and keep their heads down.

 

Minor I am not kennel blind. And I suggest you do not have tunnel vision. and not believe things that are spoon fed to you. There is more going on than Dianne Jessup. And people will and have talked to save their own asses. Also as I have said the Patricks are pissed (which is understandable). And now they are grasping straws and pointing fingers. I have yet to see any evidence that DJ snitched just accusations.

And if someone could provide proof (not speculation) that Joanie talked I would be the first to admit it. But due to other things that I know. I am confident about my stance as well. And wether she talked or not that does not take away from what our dogs are.

And Joanie may be guilty by association. Also Joanie may brag because now she is in the business of selling dogs and Dianne Jessup is accepted by the "general" public as a asset to the breed. Which in turn will help sell dogs. It is a business to her. I am quite aware of her past as well as Dianne Jessup. But some people are smart not to run their mouth and bring heat down on them and their dogs.

I do hope that the Patricks win. And get back everything they deserve. However raging a public smear campaign reminds me of when people get in trouble and then turn and say well so and so did this.

Again it is bigger than Dianne. Also do not be fooled all those cleaver terms that people use the people monitoring this board are not dumb. Remember that. IP can be traced.

Keep your circle tight. And loose lips do what? I do not want people to know who I am and what I do with my dogs. I have pretty show dogs with pretty papers! :eek:

 

isn´t this topic spinnin of the purpose i posted it? and i still don´t have any clue on what you guys (and girls) are talking about, i know now what happend to pat patricks, not why but still, but i have no clue on what HSCS stands for?

 

Humane society of the United States

 

I hope he gets his $$$ that is well deserved for his dogs but Joanie didn't rat him out. Remeber DJ got her first dog from Bert and Joanie I bet it was as simple as Bert never returned her calls over the yrs then she called Joanie who did and they became freinds. Bert always calls people back and answers his phone not. Pat got busted when shit went down hill with the dogs and that is what happens when you sell 200 dogs a yr you take a chance. Won't be shocked if every one gets nailed who sells 16 litters a yr. I saw a big time kennel a couple of months ago with 16 litters for sale on the net bragging about their dogs abilities mouth wind etc.....stupid.

 

this is one ugly thread here...i ve went through it and all i can add is that it reminds me alot of what went on in the gun industry years ago. everyone turned on a certain manufacturer because they were supposedly in with the clinton administration. everyone turned on this particular company and noone bought their products...that is a major mistake. if we get into this he said-she said crap nothing positive can happen, and all that is accomplised is lines get drawn in the sand between the dog folk

 

agreed 100% this is no longer a place where people get together and be freindly nearly evry other thread is negative weather towards the media or people that may be the topic of discussion.

 

that is why i spend very little time here now. this forum has changed alot. where has all the good old dog talking went? i used to be able to spend hours here

 

I know this is an older thread, I read the whole thing , And just would like to add opinion. There are some title SCH dogs that are gamebred in CA, I been talking to some breeders over here.

second , I was reading about the problem of people posting certain terms to discribe their dogs etc....

HONESTLY from a person who loves apbt and just now getting (back) into game bred dogs , when I see the word "win" I am not thinking of show wins ... Just being on this site , it seems that most do not show their dogs or will say stuff like " these are just show dogs with pretty peds" ( hence this thread)..... So imagine some one else reading stuff on here that does not like this breed or the people who want to witch hunt kennels.....

I have talked to a few people on here threw emails and pm's and I am glad I came back to this site to learn more. I was turned off by this site years ago because of what people say on here. I read too much negative comments about dogs for shows of for working titles , IMO if you live in USA what else are you going to do with these dogs ? Again what is your buisness is your business, but its not wise to post such negative comments to sports such as dog showing , you may not like it but don't down play people who want to just show their dogs.