Tosa Inu

you ended the discussion already damon...p4p the game bred apbt is superior...only cowards and those interested interested in freak shows would match a huge tosa into a 40-50 pound game apbt...simply unfair...why not match these same dogs into a pack of hunting dogs...or even wolves or hyenas...non sense

...bottom line is that:

A)I can accept that a game apbt got defeated by another dog giving 20+ pounds...whether a game loss or killed

B)but it is simply unacceptable and pathetic for a dog having a 20+ pound advantage to lose to the game bred APBT

Again...I offer the challenge that you match into a true game bred apbt giving only 5-10 pounds with your Tosa...I assure you the game apbt would win the majority of the time...we're talking about 5-10 pounds which is closer to 20-30 lbs in human terms...

 

Its not 20 lbs difference in these fights...its 50-100lbs difference...these Tosa weigh from between 80-150 lbs

 

So AS A BREED you're saying the best fighting dog in the world is the tosa? Ok, no further questions.

 

If you are talking about that rednose dog, give the name of the dog and/or its ped. You seem to have no problem naming the breeder so ped and name of the dog should be no problem. As for that dog being a 1 or 2x dog in a LEGITIMATE contract, I highly doubt it.

These LGDs seem to have no problems beating down and tossing around tosa inus. As for them fighting shit bred tosas, I've seen them fight the smaller tosas too, it was the same result. Another thing, I've never seen LGDs quit at the 5 min mark, the majority of them tend to go the 15 min mark against apbts and against tosas, they tend to win in under 10.

Lastly and most importantly, I never said that an apbt that loses to a tosa is a shit bred dog. You seem to believe that the apbt is an unstoppable dog. Well guess what? The apbt is still a dog and can and does lose, even against other dogs. Would you believe a jindo defeated an apbt? How about a shiba inu, german shepherd, rottweiler, and there is even a rumor about the olde boston bull dog, the melon heads, besting an apbt. However, this is the RARE exception and in cases like these, YES, the apbt was most likely a shit bred dog. Then there are cases where an apbt is just out classed by the dog he is matched with. It isn't rare to see matches and tourneys, especially in russia, where an apbt is out classed by these LGDs and even though they are outclassed, they are still good dogs. What's the difference? When a tosa inu loses, they stick their tails up their asses and run like bitches, even the best of the "fighting" tosas. This is because tosas were bred for their looks, tendency to not make a noise when fighting, and to hold and wrestle. Tosas are head dogs, this is hard wired into their genetics. Furthermore, they are wrestlers and that's all they do. Don't get me wrong, NONE OF US ever implied, at least to my knowledge, that tosas inus cannot do damage, we all just implied that they are useless CURS, which they are. This is just the way it is, it is the honest truth. They were never bred for gameness, and they never were. There is a difference between GAME DOGS and FIGHTING DOGS. Every and any dog can fight, and in japan, korea, russia, china, etc. they have been fought. Some of them look pretty good too. I've seen a jindo, shiba, akita, hokkaido, ainu, and even a freakin doberman that was decent. HOWEVER, this does not mean they are game. Gameness is the most precious quality in a dog, and thus far, only the apbt breed as a whole owns it. There has been a few staffords, both the kegs on legs and the older type, amstaffs, and even bull terriers that had proven themselves game. However, no tosa ever has. Do you know what gameness is?

 

A Rooster that weighs one ounce above its opponnent has the same weight advantage as a dog that weighs one pound above its opponnent or a man that has a stone weight advantage over another man , hence a Rooster that weighs ten pounds under your weights Damon would have to fight a opponnent the size of a Emu , and a man weighing ten stones would have to fight a man thirty stones . Now im certain that a Rooster would do so and take its death gamely just as a fighting man would take a milling until he was killed howevor the biggest baddest Tosa that ever lived would quit and run against a Pitbull its own size in seconds never mind against one that outweighed it by a hundred pounds , Tosas are bullies and like all bullies are cowards or curs , they fight while on top against a smaller opponnent but QUIT the first sign of losing

 

LOL. What's a LGD again?

 

A Real pitbull can Loose When physical he cant stand a Chance vs the other dog breed .
But vs a psysical strong Real pitbull no other breed can handle the Bulldog .doenst matter how much pounds diffenrences.
Like a Mayday would win over all other breeds on a normal Day .
Or gr ch tito proved us the same

 

And the pitbull was breed to be the best fighting dog on the Planet Not p4p or am i wrong?
Bigger isnt always better. A Good ufc Fighter woudnt Loose TO a Sumo.
Even he is 300 Pounds bigger.
They dont have the Same fighting skills and so is this with the dogs

 

I don't really see the same caliber of fighting skills between the 2 breeds, ones a wrestler the other is an MMA fighter. To me its like putting a takowondo black belt agince a top ranked MMA fighter. Sure the black belt will win here and there but they'll lose more than they'll win.

Any dog can beat any other dog on any given day.

Where do you think the phrase its not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog came from......

 

Name me another breed that size apart from maybe the bully kutta that fights 30 mins, it's easily gamer than any lgds. Of course gameness is the one attribute that sets the pitbull apart, but it's not always enough against powerful competition. That head style seems to be the most effective against the bulldog and they are good defenders too

 

ditto. very good example

 

How can comparing a beast to a man a good example haha

 

Again it depends what rules the two fighters fight under. I am a TKD black belt and wouldn't want to fight under mma rules...lol,

 

Oh again what is an lgd?

 

I think it means livestock guardian dog

 

Same shit different day, Damon is a Tosa Nutswinger! LMAO A real Tarzan if you will.

 

can you post the tosa fighting rules.

 

The bully kutta, tosa inu, and LGDs are NOT GAME. There's no such thing as "gamer," it is either you are game or you are not. That's like saying he's "more *insert ethnicity* than *insert name*" You're from europe right? Are you more european than your neighbors? Judging by your posts, I see that you have no idea what gameness is.

Btw, do you know why people always refer to Tito v Tano? This is because that was the first time that a legitimate dog of both breeds were ever matched into each other. Tano was a tosa inu that was born in europe and was actually touted as a good dog. Tano was a 10xw in mixed breed matches and has won against tosas, LGDs, rottweilers, and 2 other apbts from game bred decent. Both dogs apbts were picked up, not killed as many Tosa nut huggers state. However, BOTH DOGS scratched back hard and appeared to be game ( I say appeared to be because both dogs didn't really suffer much damage, Tano did nothing but bite, pin, and shake). The owners picked them up because they didn't want their dogs to suffer any more damage. Tano was touted by many as a top tosa prior towards his loss to tito. He was bred to a few dogs, even heavy weight tosas. Tano was a middle weight at about 110 lbs and he was also bred to apbts, not to better the apbts but to better the tosa breed as a whole. Some of his offsprings are rumored to have done well, especially the f1 generation crosses to pits. One of them supposedly killed an apbt, but I heard the apbt survived and was just picked up. Anyways, to get back on track, when a top tosa matches into a top apbt, the tosa is more than likely the loser.

Btw, tano's son, Chico. That video you posted of it beating an apbt, guess what? Chico is rumored to be an offspring of one of the matings between tano and an apbt. Furthermore, Chico also lost to an apbt. He quit like his daddy, he wasn't picked up but he ran!!! I like how you are leaving parts of the story out. chico lost to an apbt by the name of Arnold.

 

trussells "DUM DUM" greatest pitdog of the modern era,why? pure dibo breeding,extra dead game,& 85lb's pitweight! all tosa's,lgd's,mastiffs & smaller gamedogs,would come up short against this beast.

 

how can a dog be extra "dead game" ? lol