New thread Clouse blood any information clouse dogs

DRZ,

By the time Bert Clouse passed away, his line was nearly 40 years old and heavily linebred/inbred. The dogs had become somewhat thin boned and shy. They were not known for being durable or strong; rather, they were known for their finishing gameness. The Clouse dogs you are speaking of that possessing great strength are certainly Clouse crosses.

Here is an example of a KZB bred dog:
http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=284581

 

bigsky kennels

 

Clouse blood well crossed with Frisco....

 

M.Martin didn't have dogs that were thin boned and nut jobs like alot of the Clouse breeders then. Red Bomber was a strapping specimen @ 60lbs and threw the same. Not all Clouse dogs or their descendants were as you say Mallard as well as the heavy Hemphill dogs that you also comment on!

 

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=314114 here's one that i just aquired

 

Crazy Horse,

I never said Martin had thin boned nut jobs like Clouse produced towards the end. Here is what I wrote about MM: “After Clouse passed on, Michael Martin bred Clouse dogs to some heavy red nose stock. Much of the dogs going forward from Martin’s breedings were red, red nose”.
Michael Martin started with dogs bred down from Killen’s Cid to Jean’s Joni. He purchased dogs straight from Don.

Martin eventually owned Joni (confirmed by JC). After corresponding with Bert Clouse for about two years, Bert allowed Joni to be bred to Clouse’s Humpy (brindle). Martin also purchased Clouse’s Red Bomber (red brindle) and Belle Starr (black brindle) from Bert Clouse just before he died. The Humpy, Bomber and Belle Starr story was told to me by Martin and confirmed by Bert’s wife Jerri. Bullhead was purchased by Martin after Clouse’s death, from a third party. The Humpy, Bomber, Starr and Bullhead dogs represent the Clouse foundation that Martin worked with. Martin never owned Clouse's Vic.

As for Red Bomber (red brindle) being a strapping specimen @ 60lbs, per my interview with MM, Red Bomber was 39 in condition and 41 on the chain. The Bell Star (Black brindle) was 42 lbs. It was when these dogs were bred to the Cid/Joni dogs that you began to see the very large and robust looking animals (Red Jerry/Zod, 70 lbs, etc). When Martin bred his straight blood, they were smaller in size but he didn’t do it often as they were quirky.

 

Thanks for the info Mallard. Do you keep this line yourself?

 

I've had my eye on that one since his ped first went up with the puppy picture. Very well bred animal.

 

Re: New thread Closed blood any information clouse dogs

LOL Since Mallard is so fixed on dates of Clouse, humm I thought he died in 1986? News to to me he died in 1982. Why I find this strange is because a bunch from this area went to his funeral but I couldn't get off work.CrazyHorse is right, the dogs which was on others' yard was much better examples of good working stock then what Bert had on his yard. He had to feed them smush dog food because their mouth was so messed up.The dogs Michael Martin and Raymond Parrish had were by far were some of the best from Bert's later stock. Otter produced some of the best champion and grand champion dogs in history. KZB? Are you are serious? After all these years and after so many sales and after so many reports, why hasn't there been any known KZB dogs note worthy?Patrick is another who did well with Clouse crossed dogs.And Marky we all know who had a cross R.O.M. dog with Clouse in it and was a 4xw.One last thing, for many years Clouse Stabber and his brother Rocky was raised, fed and died at Frank Creed's yard.

 

What about this dog and his Sire? I know these were some damn good dogs! http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=372635

 

wondering why they dont call these red hippos like they call the blue dogs blue hippos im just saying

 

no KZB dogs not note worthy? They just showed and got blue ribbon, those dogs are being shown

 

Re: New thread Closed blood any information clouse dogs

Well then.

 

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News to to me he died in 1982.
**Check your 1982 Gazettes. He died 08/13/1982, per his daughter Sharron.

One last thing, for many years Clouse Stabber and his brother Rocky was raised, fed and died at Frank Creed's yard.
**Rocky was a cur who quit and according to the UKC, was not a brother to Staber.

Produce any facts that Clouse died in 1986. Produce any facts that Rocky was Staber's brother.

 

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My reference to the fact Laurie Best from Lawton MI., whose name appears in Ch. Dutchess' pedigree went to the funeral.
Laurie also had a 3xw off Ch. Iron Bear & Klewe's Nugget.
In time I'll remember his name.
A few others who lived in that area also went.
Just seems that it was later on.
per daughter or per Gazette?

Don't be silly UKC never made any claim that Rocky was a cur.
The dogmen in Chicago is a long list of ones who saw Rocky go.
Many said he was better pit dog then Stabber.

I never really cared one way or another about Rocky of whether he was a litter mate or even a full brother to Stabber.

Fact remains, he died at Frank Creed's house where he was bred many times and is buried in his front yard.
BTW did you see Stabber too?
I saw him and his daughter Creed's Lady Elgin and Bodzainowski's Stosh 2xw.
BTW which I had dogs off of.
And you?

 

My reference to the fact Laurie Best from Lawton MI., whose name appears in Ch. Dutchess' pedigree went to the funeral. **He died in 1982. Your reference was wrong. Do you see a trend here?

Don't be silly UKC never made any claim that Rocky was a cur.
**You obviously do not understand the use and purpose of a comma, which was used to separate adjoining statements that I made in a single sentence. Let me put in separate sentences so you don’t get confused. Rocky was a cur. Per the UKC, Rocky is not a littermate to Clouse’s Staber. Nor is he from Clouse blood.
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The dogmen in Chicago is a long list of ones who saw Rocky go.
Many said he was better pit dog then Stabber.
**What does that have to do with your incorrect statement about Rocky being a littermate to Staber? Staber is spelled with one “B”. Not two.
I never really cared one way or another about Rocky of whether he was a litter mate or even a full brother to Stabber.<O:p></O:p>
**So in your book, if you don’t care it’s Ok to give bogus information? I don’t have an interest in the Rocky dog either but when you give false historical information it needs to be addressed. Once again, you gave out wrong information. Once again, I set the record straight with correct information.

 

I have spent a small fortune of breeding by Jack Russell bloodlines I think both are important but what I have found is who and how you are raising your pups is about as important as the breeding.

 

I meant to post this in a different thread.

 

You are doing a fine job with misinformation. i.e. Wilder was the breeder of Maud, etc. Look in a mirror before you refer to others.

 

There is no mis-infromation given here in regards to Clouse dogs. Just accurate facts with verifiable sources. You are the one who repeatedly gives wrong facts, as you are not a credible information source. All I did is correct your incorrect statements. Again.