Just thinking

Well I was at work today and was thinking about something.....I have seen many times in on-line forums so I thought I would ask everyone their personal opinion. For many, many years dogmen (not all but many) have been working hard to keep this breed free of human aggression. We are always preaching not to use your APBT for protection or protection type sports i.e. schutzhund or just as a family/property guardian (which I totally agree, using these dogs in that manner is not a step in the right direction). Then on the other hand we promote bandogs, and the breeding of them.....I am not saying it is the same thing as the bandog in a APBT/Mastiff cross, but I am curious as to what you think on this subject seeing as how the media, and stupid ill informed would report them, no doubt, as a PIT BULL if something were to happen.....say even them protecting their owner as they were bred to. What are your opinions on using the APBT in a cross to another breed to create a protection/guard animal?

 

i dont like it really but people might not like what i am doing and i dont want them to tell me what i can and cant do. I dont even bad mouth am bully owners, i just wish all breeders would get together and be honest and informative about what they are selling.

 

I don't really see how it's a problem aslong as the breeder is honest about what has gone into the dogs and doesn't try and pass them off as "XXL Pit Bulls".

 

I firmly believe you shouldn't cross nothing with a bulldog..Nothing! The bulldog gene is a dominant gene..and almost always the pups come out looking like a bulldog..the dog gets into some trouble..and right away its a "Pitbull" We dont need that kind of publicity..Period. You start crossing these dogs with other breeds and you get some mean dogs...Ok an argumentative statement might be made about if there bred into the right hands that they will do just fine..and its dully noted..But theres always some jackass thats gonna get a male/female and breed and sell for profit only..not caring about temperment..etc and the domino effect falls into action..The only thing the general dumbass public is going to see is a "Pitbull" I say leave the the bulldogs the Fuck alone already...Enough is Enough. No offense to the OP intended whatsoever. There are a few things in this world that Im passionate about and Bulldogs are one of em! I like all the working breed dogs...But theres only 1 I will ever own...And thats a Bulldog

 

I dont agree with it, for the simple fact that it is a potential media circus waiting to happen. I understand what freedom is, so I cant tell someone else what to do in that respect.

 

this would make a good poll hint hint
i agree with everything posted so far...

 

pitbulls ...being crossed ino other breeds has been done since the creation of these type of dogs.....it will always be done as long as people wish to add drive to whatever type breeders are trying to create.
how many dogs need to be created???????......how many breeds claim to be the ultimate canine guardian????????........how many breeders claim to be creating the ultimate bandog/guardian??????
these dogs must be right up their as the no.1 dog bred into other breeds over time, from farm dogs to cattle dogs to running dogs to earth dogs.....it will always be done.

 

Im with spike on this one.

 

i dont agree with it nor would i own one.
however, once looking at our resident bandog breeders dogs and seeing how his program has came along over the years, i think i do see a preference in which way i would go if it was something i was interested in. i also figure if someone is set on getting some kind of bandog well , its easier for people here to push them to what we are assuming is a reputable and responsible breeder.


i would own one of Lees dogs over most other breeds if i had to choose. that will more than likely never be an option, as i will only ever own bulldogs.

 

Well I am indifferent towards it, since the dogs being bred serves a purpose. No matter what, you're gonna have people crossing apbts into other breeds to heighten a better catch, guard, etc. dog.

Catchdogs: bully lurchers, catahoula pitbull dog, bandog, apbt bloodhound
Fox dogs: apbt beagle and apbt foxhound
Flush Dogs: apbt lab, apbt spaniel, and apbt pointer

It seems that every dog bred for a certain purpose isn't complete until crossed with apbt blood in the minds of these people.

 

I have seen many times in on-line forums so I thought I would ask everyone their personal opinion. For many, many years dogmen (not all but many) have been working hard to keep this breed free of human aggression.
Your problem is your sources...on-line! That crap you're parroting is just more nonsense that has been started on the internet about this breed. You can't name one person of old that gave two craps about it or remotely thought about it when breeding. This is a performance orientated breed-that's what determines if getting breed or shot. Not if they're warm and cuddly on the couch on a cold winter night.


We are always preaching not to use your APBT for protection or protection type sports i.e. schutzhund or just as a family/property guardian (which I totally agree, using these dogs in that manner is not a step in the right direction).
LoL you're preaching when still in elementary school, least wait until the first class is over. Let me hear your logic on this; "oh, so harmful sport"? Is the harm they may have obedience and can actually walk on a leash correctly that you're opposed to...which 95% of them CAN'T? Maybe it's the evil, harmful effects of a dog doing a routine based sport that warps their mind making them blood thirsty, and kid killers (I read that and if enough people parrot it we can make it "true"!)? Is it just you believe the APBT shouldn't have any prey drive?

I'd love to hear...about your "steps in the right direction"! If pet owners are involved-you've failed. Does it involve making sure the "owner" has an I.Q. over room temperature? That would be where I'd start first...least be as smart as the dog they're wanting to own.

 

Let me guess,on your quest of making your bulldog a man biter,you met many oldtimers who did schutzhund and obedience.Go walk your dog with a prong collar.

 

I don't agree with it.

 

Let me guess,on your quest of making your bulldog a man biter,you met many oldtimers who did schutzhund and obedience.Go walk your dog with a prong collar.
You even know what a "man-biter" is? Of course you don't, you're just spewing and parroting crap you're clueless about! Would love to hear how a dog doing a routine it knows inside and out, where the "bad guy" is (always same blind), turns them into a man-biter? Even like to hear your internet reading stories of how you heard and read all about how people used to select their performance and breeding dogs...did it include a stranger walking up and being able to give the dog a BIG, WET, SLOPPY KISS or was it the ability to take a FRENCH KISS from a stranger? Please tell, your reading secrets of the APBT and what dictated being breed worthy.

You show me a breeder that gives a crap about how their dog will do with a stranger and I'll show you a breeder that is failing! Nobody has ever gave a rats a$$ about how their performance dog would do around a stranger, they're not a lap dog. If they're out of the yard...they're working or being taken to their job...has nothing to do with cuddling with a stranger.

 

Why create something else when there are many guard/protection dogs to already choose from? I think it silly

 

I don't really have much to say back to you because your post says all that needs to be said. You obviously don't grasp what I was saying, and don't even have enough intelligence to come up with a solid post. You aren't touching on what I am getting at, nor are you understanding anything about the post. You call me a "parrot", but in all honestly what are you doing? "Parroting" the other side? LOL. Goodnight, kind sir....not even on my level. This will be my one, and only post IN RESPONSE TO YOU.

 

Sounds like you might need to read up.If you think a dog being cautious of a stranger,constitutes a man biter your not as educated as you think you are.And an old bulldog on a chain that doesn't like strangers,is in no where near the same category as,say one of your half trained sch dogs.What i gather from you is your probaly a man who has bred many a man biter,and many a cur,and just can't stand when someone disagree's with your breeding practice.

 

If ppl want dogs like tht and are happy with what they have then so what... Who am I to dictate (or attempt to or feel like I should) what other folks do with their property. Dogs are just that, Dogs, their purpose is to make ME (not you) ME happy!

 

this is where ignorance serves as the step in the wrong direction, when bitework is taught properly, the release command is as important as the grab or hold. This makes sense, because with all of this familiarization there is less of a chance that some maniac dog will just flip out and grab a kid or pedestrian. It seems when folks have yards, it sounds like dogs are chained up and only conditioned and are missin out on alot of typical bonding and family life. It is possible to get a gamebred dog to protect his family and space, and it is not a bad thing most of the time.

 

You obviously don't grasp what I was saying, and don't even have enough intelligence to come up with a solid post. You aren't touching on what I am getting at, nor are you understanding anything about the post.
Oh, I grasp fully what you're saying. It's complete crap and based on zero factual evidence. You claim in your initial post; "For many, many years dogmen (not all but many) have been working hard to keep this breed free of human aggression.". Can you name one, only one of those dogmen that placed any consideration into that when breeding? NO! They cared how the dog performed, not how it would act around strangers. But since you're the intelligent one, please explain it. You can't, now can you?


Sounds like you might need to read up.If you think a dog being cautious of a stranger,constitutes a man biter your not as educated as you think you are.
Oh, I see how you operate. I ask you a question...you avoid answering it and while pretending I didn't ask it, you ask more questions of me.


And an old bulldog on a chain that doesn't like strangers,is in no where near the same category as,say one of your half trained sch dogs.What i gather from you is your probaly a man who has bred many a man biter,and many a cur,and just can't stand when someone disagree's with your breeding practice.
When did I get a half trained Sch dog? You must be physic, you know how my imaginary dog is trained, plus man-biting offspring I've yet to produce. What I can't stand is crap getting continuously thrown around by clueless idiots. You wouldn't know a man-biter if it was using your tampon as a spring-pole. All you do it type crap based on zero factual evidence. You couldn't get 2 people on this board that's even seen a true man-eater. Yet you try to act like it's a common occurrence and a trait that is brought out via training for a sport.