Any Thoughts??

was good blood at one time...especially the red baron dog...was as game a dog as there ever was....that strain of dogs faded when a couple of people got out and a few others kept breeding on the name/the dog of yesteryear....not ensuring the strain....those molly bee bred dogs were never a high percentage line...and the breedings were limited....culling was a must....when you had one, well you had one...it was just hard to get one...the poland stuff is weak...stoney produced nothing when bred to exceptional bitches...got a freak or two when crossed out....
both lines in the pedigree had low percentages....if she makes it i would got to a total outcross...and a proven producing male of whatever the outcross is you choose...breeding back toward anything in either of the two 'predominant' lines is walking on thin ice...
the grunt dog (who i am not a fan of) and his sister (100% bulldog sabotage) is a good example of how to cross these lines....as much redboy/hard tack/carolina flo as possible...not as much of the snooty....and then back to the same stuff in the next generation....4-5 years from now a 1/4 or so of your pedigree will give someone else a really long and sad face....best of luck....US1

 

no problem...just have some first hand experience with some of the dogs in the pedigree as well as those lines...still got some now....got a heavy mims breeding due in a week or so that has some of those same dogs pushed back in about the 3rd and 4th....seen some monsters crossed like that....
and the cross does not have to be mims or redboy....just something with a lot of consistency....that has already produced...best of luck...US1

 

will try to load it up a lil later...ducking the rain trying to get some stuff done today....US1

 

red baron and his sister miss spazz were owned by TP. spazz was a pit game bitch, a hair short of being really special....red baron was a deep game dog who was provided every opportunity to hang it up...would not...had barrel and chain issues...could bite the end of a metal barrel and toss it out of the chain space....not roll it but toss it...he was devastating but had no hardware to work with....owner met an untimely death and his dogs were moved around....spazz was bred to a couple good males but produced so-so...red baron the same...both were bred and then their pups were brother-sistered...selling puppies.....two solid dogs that were well tested and well proven...had a few down out of them...real rough....just not high percentages...when one worked out they were special because the could all shut it down....but they were few and far in between...i accredit most of that to the circumstances of the times and the chainging hands of the dogs...one owner passed away and the others got out and then the dogs were inbred based on something that someone else did two and three generations before...sort of weakened the pool...if things had not changed i believe the percentages would have been much higher coming from those dogs....as being game and tested and match quality have very little to do with selling puppies...US1