Todays staffords it's a shame

didnt harpo have problems with his eyes? and did he get moved on again ?

 

quit or didn't quit bad eyes or good eyes... the dog should of not been passed from pillow to post , the right thing should of been done in the begining

 

the couple of times i saw him he showed no aggression towards people. i agree with Maxwell he would have being better off PTS instead of towted about

 

was going to put a few things about harpo but will not on a forum but what i will say is he was not mannie and his eyes were ok. also i know of 2 good dogs out of him

 

not all the new generation, and more to the point a lot of the last generation all sold dogs to cash in when times were hard. Its part of life unfortunately but if idiots wanna buy poor dogs then thats all they deserve.

 

Hello Bob not having a go i think i know you had a good reason to move him on and not sure what happened after he was given to you know who and if you say his eyes were ok good enough for me.

 

Look at this picture from 1800s:
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9372/bullandterrier.jpg
I think most of you know this picture.
The first dogs that breed to dog fighting. The Bull And Terriers. The ancient staffordshire bull terriers.
They look more like the today's show dogs, than the 'athletic built' 'irish staffordshire bull terriers'. Short legs, stocky built, distinct stop, short muzzle.
Why you say today's staffords are shame when the ancient of the sbts (and apbts) were closer to these type of dogs?
These are the real staffords and not the rangy, leggy sbts and apbts that evolved later by mixed the breed with whippets or vizslas or god knows what type of dogs.
I don't say these old dogs better in the ring than the apbts. I just say this is the 'original'. And whats the problem if a breed keep the original built type?!

 

yes you are right the short legged sbt is the way to go and is what it always should have been, LMAO
:dramacorn:

 

Incredible how dumb people can come up with there own Facts.. BS to even compare those dogs to today's sbt's

lemme gues.. you got your first dog, did some litle research and have a fat sbt yourself ?

 

Also remember.. the dogs went true a evolution, the first type of dogs didnt satisfy the need of the dog fighters, (to slow.. low ability.. No wind) This is when they brought the terrier blood in.
And if not mistaken this was some time after the 1800's

 

Have to agree with Elmo. What you are saying is complete bollox! If you look at old pictures of early APBT´s you will see a strong resemblence with the Irish SBT. If you look at the first bunch of Staffs registered with the KC you will also see the same resemblence.

I doubt that the APBT ever where mixed with anything! I even doubt that there ever where any terriers at all in these dogs! Its just a name... But god knows what they mixed in the show staffords to get them that fat...

 

This has been debated alot..
personaly i've read, and believe.. that they first used moloss type of dogs.. Bulldogs aswell..
on other animals it was ok.. but when put ageanst each other.. they had a serious lack of wind. ability. this is when the terrier blood kicked in. They had good wind.. and a serious pre drive. also ability. ( imagen the ability tou need when your in a badger or fox whole)

Back to the day we live in.. i see what kinda fool puts a standard on a working dog?

If life was all about standards we would miss alot of great athletes.. look at the heavyweight boxers..
Mohammed ali.. totaly diffrent from Mike Tyson.
it was there quality and determenation that made em great..

(yes customato did his part aswell )

 

you can take that bollox opinion and shove it right up your fart box....jeez......you are.....in laymans terms.....a dickwad!!...:rolleyes:

 

They are bull dogs in that pic not staffs.You will find the same pic in a lot of bulldog books.

 

Hahahaha Elmo is right, you're just mad cause you bought a cur kc sbt instead of the REAL deal. Don't be bitter about it though, you're probably better of this way since you clearly don't know the history and the facts about these breeds and therefore wouldn't handle a real sbt or apbt.

 

for real!!!!

 

Can some one close this and start a new thread about the history please.
so all these newbies like 7MM and Sbt4ever can get there twisted facts straight.

cheers

 

OMG!!! I think people need to research their breed. Todays short stocky show dogs are destroying the breeds. They need to get those dogs fixed!!

 

I was being sarcastic!!! :eek:

 

its just a am. bully type dog there short there stocky and a push in mussle they do look bulldogglish but its all seletive breeding