Is it really Honeybunch

Say we forget about traits on these dogs. They don't perform anything like hoenybunch dogs as we call them

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=296384

So does anyone have some write ups on the later decendants in this pedigree.

Anyone else running blood close to these, if you had a stud bred like this, what would you do with him. other than cull, please I'm just looking for some great Wishfull thinking based on pedigree.

 

Sound like you dont like the blood bra then why run it

 

wat are you asking ? im kind of lost

 

I didn't know that 'honeybunch' dogs all preformed a certain way?

I dont get what your asking

 

Its about that time to see where they go right?
We are very happy with our one. Fast as lightning. We have some nice plans for her.

 

You don't have a clue what i'm asking, are you saying that no one breeds a certain bloodline for it's traits.

Now read info on Honeybunch, Jeep and his brothers, maybe then we can accept that that is the type of performance you can expect from this bloodline.

Now look at the pedigree, and decide if maybe you know someone who runs a similar bloodline, then compare if they perform the same way as all the famous dogs in their pedigree (performance based)

The question is asked for the mere fact of comparing individual dogs from the same bloodline to establish some traits than can be linked to the bloodline.

Thanks OSK, at least i know one of them are fast, now if my one is slow, does not mean that he is all that bad, just like a Bullyson dog with no mouth, does not mean that he is bad. Now that is interesting to know cause , maybe oneday Iwant to breed further, at least I know where to find speed in the same bloodline, enhancing the chances of success and concistancy.

Zolatn, just becos I ask questions, does not mean i do not like the blood, you acting ignorant like your buddies in the other post, You are 'dom" if you do not try to find out everything possible about the dogs you own. but i guess experience is the best teacher.

 

All good bra its was the other than cull typo that got me thinking you just looking to bash thats all .I dont bash others dogs or blood as I have experience that all bloods throw good n bad and dont call me dom bra no need for insults cos as I said it show lack of character

 

Sometimes it depends on what your hunting on if you seem to see different traits then what you were looking for, but that can be a GOOD thing, can't expect certain lines to have all the same traits as the great one that's in it's pedigree 3-4 times. Let the dog hunt his way and if you don't like it that's why if possible you should keep the whole litter and maybe 1 will satisfy. I promise you 1-3 will be better than the other 4-5. Ask around and see if this is true.

 

mr denver, please don't generalise, because as much as you bring your arrogant attitude to this topic, I certainly dont think I can state that all Americans are arrogant.
I believe that not because you from the US you automatically a guru or fundi on the breed, same way it cannot be assumed all white South Africans are racists.
Its good you have pride in everything American, thats exactly how Australians, South Africans, Japanese, etc feel about their countries. Try being a tool of unity in the pit fraternity and not one of division as all over the world we have enough attacks against the breed from the misinformed without us resorting to unnecessary character assassinations.
Any way, its hard pin pointing any dogs best offspring, as it all boils down to personal opinion.

 

I agree that each dog is to be assesed on it's own merit. but it also be nice to see if other guys running the same bloodline are also experiencing similar results, ultimately that would prove that the family of dogs are consistant, at least in some ways. But yes the monsters, or all rounders are hard to come by.

I will give you some experience with otherbloodline, say Frisco and Chinaman lines that I am familiar with. The frisco line are known to be very devesating, with the the chinaman dogs off Earl dogs are more calculated, less mouth and seem to be Gamer, percentage wise. Does this mean Frisco dogs are more Chinaman dogs, than what Earl dogs are.

I guess the real answer I am looking for is why would we refer to dogs as a certain blood. i.e Frisco, Honeybunch, Yellow, if they do not look, act or perform the same way you would expect them to. and is it worth line breeding.

 

Honeybunch?

Honeybunch?
http://apbtpedigrees.com/printpedigree/out.php?recordID=60388

 

Honeybunch?
http://apbtpedigrees.com/printpedigree/out.php?recordID=60388

 

Honeybunch?
http://apbtpedigrees.com/printpedigree/out.php?recordID=60388

 

SDK thank for that pedigree. Seems like some real Honeybumch to me - nice ped. Now maybe this should be taken to PM, but I would also like to know what traits do they display as hunting dogs?

 

Maybe its just me but I wouldn't discredit Honeybunch for bad traits in those dogs, To me thats bred to far away from Honey to even call it a Honeybunch dog. Not to mention the different avenues down from Honey,,,,

I would say a triple cross to Honeybunch through a male who was bred close to the same as her would be the only way to call it a Honeybunch Bloodline and only if you kept it family bred from there. But over time I would Substitute the breeders name for Honeys name and call them "Honeybunch foundation bred".

JMO

NGK

 

Agreed. Honeynunch foundation, Through Stonewall(line)and Tramp(line) on top and bottom. Both lines having their individual traits. Then the Redboy Jocko and rest of the contributions. I would go off how the parents were and decide from there. BUT can we deduct a good basis for judgment off that when the breeding was done purely to sustain some pretty rare blood here. I think it was a good breeding for that, specially since both dogs were lost shortly after the breeding. The mom was young too, but I had the pleasure of seeing her, and got to watch her pups grow those weeks before they left. She was a great little dog and her other litter mates i heard were good.
Her one brother i know was good! And going off how he was, i would trust this breeding. Fast and clever and pull a trolley like a rocket. Guess your dog is the only one that can show you now.

 

There is no doubt that the parents are not good. I am not one to waste good money on crap so it was a calculated investment. But sadly I do not own enough of the blood to make up my own mind about their family traits. And thought to explore here for a more different avenue as such. If I had to compare what I was hoping to achieve would be something like what can be sad for alligator dogs from US to across Europe, Also Sorrels lines and their success in the balkans. I guess I'm just looking for some reassurance that I have a dog that his true to his family type, if i have that than I can decide how to move forward, as increasing the family from my side looks a bit slim at the moment, but hopefully some would become available in the future, lest we suffer the tragidy that struck their parents. thanks OSK

 

What has been failed to mention is that the breeder of those dogs and the breeder of the sire Nixon had looked at specific traits in the littermates of Nixon and looked for a specific female bred on a similar type of line and traits: a proven cross to create a certain type of dog.  The below breeding as OSK has said was to preserve this rare blood in our country.  I have known the breeder of Nixon and his owner for a long while and they have given me the fundamentals behind why Nixon was chosen as a stud, why the breeding was done with Tammy and why most of the dogs off of Nixon is / was a certain way that is different from his littermates with the exception of the Memo female.

 

Desert Rose or Missy as she was known comes from a very solid litter with all dogs aside from 1 not displaying the traits the breeding was made to try and capture. Gameness was never a question and dogs where put together to deliver a certain type of dog as was / is evident in what was produced. Now I assume that you know what I am talking about as I am sure you have spoke to BB many times about the style and how they had performed and the way MM had rated the offspring threw Astrix & Timone.  Them dogs where bred to be head / face / Nose dogs that would be able to finish when it was time to. I do believe OSK knows all about how beautiful a nose dog the 1 male was.  Out of the litter and what survived and looked at all but 1 had shown this trait, I believe he is 1 of 2 dogs alive out of that litter, 1 being white and the other being buckskin – where the Buckskin dog is not typical of what was trying to be captured in the breeding.  I recall an email that I was shown that you had sent to BB where it was plain for me to see that the dog in question is typical of his family and how BB and MM had wanted to try and breed them. So he might not be typical of what you call Honeybunch and how they perform or is said to it is plain as daylight that these guys had tried to breed a certain type of dog.  BB through all his bullshit knew exactly what t he was trying to do and how to put these dogs together, I do believe that his concentration is no longer on these dogs but his family will on as he promised through the dogs we have off of Nixon and Memo as we do find breeders able to change and breed for what they want in these dogs.

 

I do not hope to offend Powerline SA but it does seem that you are always questioning that dog and his family; it was evident on the South African Forum and on here. It is widely known that you are a very big fan of the Frisco / Chinaman dogs and it is plain to see this breeding and these dogs are very different, the traits, type and mannerisms will and are different to these Chinaman and Frisco dogs that are widely known to be really devastating in our country.

 

Just out of interest, what are your plans with the male dog you have off this breeding

 

That was a really nice respons, yes I continue to question these dogs, just like I did with the frisco dogs, for many years, to the point where many runners of the same line became very upset.

Now the reason is not offend anyone, but merely to find out as much as i can, about what belongs to me, I have always wanted a honeybunch dog, and when one was available I scooped him up. I only have him so I don't have any other speciman to compare him with, therefore the forum serves some but very little, the aim.

I have had some talk with BB and MM and trust I would have some more, I am dissapointed that he showed you a mail which I send to him in confidence, but I trust it was all with good intention. With regard to intention, I was gonna also preserve the family if I could aquire a good female from the same family. If that does not happen, I will continue with crossing it to some yellow/alligator stuff which I will get from friends and also cross it to my much loved frisco dogs. So it really depends on availability and much consideration.

I am not a super dogman, not even sure I can be called dogman, but I am hard enough, through experience, not to lie to myself about what I choose to Run. Because my space is so limited I can only afford to keep or breed the very best, and for this reason I have to constantly ask as well as test theories and practices around these dogs.

I hope that answers you, and please don't take offence, because I don't bash lines, only the ones I own, because I am not Kennel blind, and really only care for what I own and myself.

So please feel free to make some suggestion or share some info, with regard to Suggestion, My boy is ready to be bred, so I am really looking for a way forward.

 

Well I'm not a fan of any of your line of dogs, not the Frisco and not the Honeybunch dogs, but will say this: I respect the Frisco dogs because of what they've done. They've however not convinced me, neither most people I know, that they are game. The Honeybunch dogs I've heard are the opposite and therefore I am not a real fan of them either, but damn who cannot respect gameness??? I also heard of guys crossing the Honeybunch dogs with Junior stock with reasonable success. SO, who knows, maybe the Honeybunch line will add something to the Frisco dogs, or maybe the Frisco dogs may just jumpstart something in the Honeybunch dogs. What I do know is that most running either lines hate the other line of dogs and therefore has not ventured into crossing them, but you NEVER know what that might produce... you never know...