What is this?? Can anyone else show a bulldog that looked like this when young?

If your issue is with the pup and not the breeder , as your keeping the other dog you got from them(posts above). Take the pup back and leave with a new one that don't look questionable.

 

The other dog i got from them died about 3 weeks ago due to kidney failure but she wasnt ever from this breeder...She was given to me from a friend of his. I was told they do not want the pup to give it so someone else. If she had been given to me we wouldnt have this problem. Does anyone see the point im trying to make or am i in a field of my own on what the problem is here?

 

they don't want the pup back no more? the dame of the pup is dead now (a page or two back) that's why no dna test ?

 

The dam of my pup is alive and i was told they didnt want here back

 

Well this takes an interesting turn for the worse. They no longer want the dog back and the DNA is no longer on the table.. hm

 

If someone is serious about his dogs, he would take it back within a second!
That´s being a true breeder and dogman!

 

lol...that's why I asked because that's wat he said that it would be hard to get a test because the dam and sire had past!...correct me if I'm wrong!...matter of fact let me qoute it!!

 

here it is!!

 

My bad just the dam!

 

Sorry man. This whole situation sucks.

 

As far as a pup looking like a apbt, its alot of mix breeds that look like a apbt when a pup

 

The head was a dead giveaway in my opinion. Looked nothing like the hounds with the coloring that were posted. Very narrow.

 

Go look at Zudor off Nigerino and Sasha, over twenty years ago.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=390660

 

I've seen some dogs do a complete 180 once they matured, but this dog might have to do a 360

 

Man that Zudor dog looks nothing like the dog in question! And so what does posting a dog from twenty years ago have to do with anything, why cant topbox give that pointer back NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN? Things like this really make it hard for people and these dogs nowadays.

 

I will say this...the guy i bought the pup from has been up front with me since the beginng of the question i had which was "are you sure she is not mixed with something?" Cates told me that he has wondered the same thing and said that he would give me a pup out of the next litter he breeds so thats taken care of and i have no dought that the man will stick to his word!! BUt we have this bird dog in the picture (my Pup) and the breeder said there is no damn way it could happen...well there are alot of other dogs out there bred like mine that are getting bred and sold. I aggree with BILLSKI...what happened 20 or 30 years ago has nothing to do with the dogs today! I know that it would hurt me also if someone thought i was mix breeding a dog when i wasnt and thats not what im saying at all. All im saying is this pup and others are mutts that shouldnt be considered APBT's or bred to another one! Accidents Happen!!!! Face it!! Do i think that all of his dogs are bad??? NO!! I think this happened and needs to be fixed before it goes any farther is all.

 

You said all that needs to be said topbox and everybody in the world should know that s@#* happens! Now wether the dog was sold/given to knowing that the s@#* happened is the key! I wish you all the best!

 

I think Nigerino.com/ just posted the pic to show they could throw some funny lookin dogs lol

either way, 11 pages later!

 

Good luck man I really hope you get your fair share. It's a shame you had to go through all this.

 

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=391500

Top Box, I told you who I wanted to have the black and white pup last night. You bought the pup from Sam, he gave you an older female that Bobby Hall offered you a lot of money for just a few days after you left Sam's Yard.
Now that pup is in bred out the ass and she was to be raised by Sam but it was his pup and he sold it to you as well as sent you home with an older female.
She is young and does not look the part and I agree, she has a lot of growing up to do!
Sam told you he would give you one off Cates' Jimmy bred back to his Jimmy Sparkle bitch.
I told Sam I would make it right by him by giving him another pup as well.
The pup you have was a stud pup that he had coming off his dog Nut Cruncher and My female Nigrita.

All you have to do is give the pup to the man I told you to and you get another pup. Is that so hard?

Above is the pedigree of the pup. As far as the black and white color for any and all of you that have a question about it. Go ask Floyd Boudreaux about his bitch Cleo in the pedigree above. There is not a picture of her but click on her name and look at her siblings. Judd is her black and white brother and Boudreaux Cleo looked just like Judd but with a smaller frame.

Now every one go look at My old Cujo dog's pedigree. Stompanato is right there in the third generation. Black and white is he not? Check out how may times Cujo is in this pedigree. Come on guys black and whit dogs threw out the pedgiree but no one can figure out where did this pup get its color. O my gosh it's got to be the bird dog. You know the one that's on the chain, no where close to any female in heat, ever.

I have lost count how many times I have talked with Topbox about where the Black and white color is come from.

Ya'll do me a favor and get in touch with Boudreaux and ask him about Cleo and Judd and all the black and white dogs in there pedigrees.

I have one Male Bird dog. He is on a chain and there is no way he could have ever been bred to any of my bulldogs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nut Cruncher is the dog that Topbox says is part bulldog and part birddog.

His Sire is in Italy now and I have sent them an e-mail asking them to get with adba and have him dna profiled.
Yes Black Beauty passed away a few months back but I don't think there is any question as to whom Cruncher's dam is, she whelped the pups, Sam wanted the runt of the litter and that is what he got.

Topbox has done every thing in his power to make this look like he is the victim, he is not!!!!!!

He paid for a pup and came and picked it up from Sam's House along with a grown bitch that worth way more that the pup.

He wanted the tightest bred pup from this line as he could find. The black and white pup was Sam's pick of the litter. She looked great at eight weeks old. Right now I would agree she does not look good. In fact I would say my Bird dog would have made better looking pups that her!!

He has been told by Sam he can have another pup. I have told Sam I will replace his stud pup with a much better looking pup. Sam and I have been friend for about thirties years and will be for much longer.

All you have to do Topbox is give the pup to the man I told you about and is a few short months you will have a much better looking pup.

You have been in contact with the man that owns Nut Cruncher's sister doing your best to convince him about your theory as to why your pup is black and white and why she looks like she does. The man that has his sister is very happy with his dog and is about sick of you talking your nonsense.

As soon as we get the dna from Black Shine, his female will also be dna profiled not because he is worried about it but because I want to prove to him that Black Shine is in deed the sire.

You told me last night you did not want the pup, you did not want a replacement, you did not want the brother of Black Shine that you have on your yard that you have already used as a stud on your own bitches.

Man If any one has been done wrong Topbox it is certainly not you.

Now the man that wants your pup will pick her up, give her a good home and wait and see how she matures.

The pups off Jimmy will be here very soon and I think you should be very happy to be able to get one of these pups after all.

Go Talk to Boudreaux now!!!!!!!!!! Every one that has a question about the color of this pup please go ask him about Cleo and Judd.

As far as the looks, In my thirties years of breeding the Nigerino line I have never seen one quit like this one, but she is just a pup. Go look at Nigerino's offspring. Look at my female from twenty years ago, Zudor is her name and she is off Cates' Nigerino and out of Cates' Sasha. Go look at ch Red Rover. They look more like hound dogs than they do bulldogs but I was lucky to have had the opportunity to feed and take care of them.

Topbox you have no patience what so ever and after talking to you I have found you are about like talking to a brick wall.

I can honestly say I have never faked papers on any pup or dog and I have always tried my best to do right by any dog that I am the care taker of.

The only thing I am guilty of is having a bird dog to take on our hunting trips with my two sons from time to time.

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Go on talk your shit topbox. I know your going to. Let santos come get the pup. I know with out any doubt Sam will give you one that looks more the type. Red Just like Nigerino.

I am sorry to have ever looked at this forum. I should have been spending it with my family and dogs, life is way too short.