Are we all a bunch of hypocrits?

Unless we are perfect or a liar everyone is a hypocrite to a certain degree.

 

Grasshoppah,.....the steaming shit is thick,.....
best to button lip...
and hop ovah it.

 

aint no hippocrites here, this be Gamedog forum!

We be Game as they come, want hippocrites got to the RE or AB forum !

 

Hey doginhold i completely agree with everything you said in this Thread!
Man biters are a no go. Especially today good temperament and health (physical and mental) should be the Nr. criteria in breeding APBT if you call yourself an ethical seroius breeder.

 

Thanks because it seems that some people on here might not get the right idea what it is all about!

 

If only dog fighters had pit bulls, only dog fighters would get bit by pit bulls. It sure as hell wouldn't make the news.

One of the best quotes I ever heard on this site, I totally agree with Benthere.

This breed of dog was not meant to be pets for the general public.

The popularity of this breed in the wrong hands is what fucked everything up.

 

I agree 100% people are stuck on stupid so im pretty sure they will hate on you for this.

 

I aint nobody big but, I tell you what from my experience...I have raised dogs in the house and dogs outside in kennel or on chain and the dogs that were raised inside ALWAYS turned out better its just the simple fact that dogs are mans best friend and without socialization from us although they dont turn out bad....they NEVER reach their full potential...ya still get good ones but man if you spend a lil time with them..they will take a lion down for you.

 

If they are bred right they will do the same. I keep them inside and outside. There is no tangible difference in what they will do based on where they are kept or how much time you spend with them. All the love, attention or time watching tv won't change who they are. If it is a crap dog it will be a crap dog. I don't care if you snuggle with it at night. If it makes you feel better then by all means do what you feel, but you can't make a them something they are not. You can ruin one, but you can't make them into something they were not born to be. I guess all the good ones in days past were hand raised. I willing to bet they weren't and please save the handful of examples that were. They would have turned out okay even if they weren't a house dog. A working dog likes attention, but they love to work.

 

wow some of the statements on this thread a pure IGNORANT.. the apbt was the all american family pet up until the late 70s.. not just dogfighters owned them .. most of you if not all of you should know this.. presidents to movie stars to the farmers and everyone in between owned them.. BENTHERE your comment about someone not beign a real bulldogger because they would cull a manbiter is PURE BULLSHIT.. you NEVER put a dog over your kids regaurdless ....... Zebo would have got a slug to his head

 

If that were true then my pampered house dog would still have his balls. He can't even take a dog his own size let alone a lion. Lmao!!!

 

I agree, but not everyone has the same way of thinking. If I was breeding back than temperament would've been the number one thing on my mind, not gameness. What's the point of having a game dog that wants to kill every person it sees in it's path? Will it be an over all sound dog?

 

That quote was as fanciful and untrue then as it is now. It wasn't only dogfighters getting bitten.......and if you dig back far enough,...you'll see that some of those incidents were making the news. Clearly, the media cycle in the forties and fifties wasn't like it is today-where news of one bite gets blown out of proportion and transmitted/picked up and shown around the world within 24 hours, but those incidents were happening back then and were turning public sentiment against Pit Bulls and Pit Bull people way back then. So, please,....find some of real old and real honest dog folks who are still around and talk with them about when things really started getting hot and why. Despite what a lot of sanctimonious revisors of history will try to have you and others believe,....it all didn't just start to go wrong in 1975 when some....non-white folks in a ghetto somewhere got hold of the dogs.

People keep throwing around these keywords and the lies they engender in hopes of passing blame and shielding the breed's heroes from honest scrutiny. Truth is, a lot of them were criminals, thugs and drug-dealers themselves in their time and in their day. As I've said in other posts in other threads,....the situations the breed finds itself in now can be traced directly back to the decisions, good and bad, that were made by dogmen in the past.

Oh, and just because the general public didn't fight dogs doesn't mean that the general public didn't always have them. Its is just like any other breed when it comes to that. There have always been elite workers held by working/sporting men/women,....and the rest held by everybody else. I will admit that in the last couple of decades a lot more of the dogs from the "elite/working" lines have become available to "everybody else" with a some of the unpleasant consequences we've seen. If that is what was meant,...then I agree,...to some extent. But, just so you are aware,....the holier-than-thou blanket statements are mostly bullshit and bluster. Look, listen and read critically,...if you have the chance talk to honest folks who were around back then,....then make your own decisions about what is worth believing/agreeing with.

 

I understand how you feel,......but don't believe all of the positive propaganda either. In my opinion, some breed lovers (Stratton et. al) came along, revised history a bit and helped create an image of the breed that has been destructive to the breed in its own way.

And yes Okeefe,....there are people that put dogs over their kids and everything else for that matter.

 

I remember someone posting a story about one of the oldtimers (i dont remember who) and i think i remember him saying one of the the hardest dogs to beat would be one whos master loved and treated him like family or something to that effect.if someone knows what im talking about could u shed more light please?

 

You are confusing feelings for facts. You may feel things should be done this way or that. You may feel that people must spend x amount of time with a dog for it to feel loved and be properly stimulated. But this is all just your opinion. "Lazy" is a relative term and the weight it holds differs from person to person what you deem sufficient interaction with your animals could be mediocre to someone else. Yes people say don't breed curs because the chances are you breed cure and you're just going to get more of the same. Do people still breed curs? YES! Because just like anything in this world people are going to do what the hell they want. Doesn't change the fact that the general consensus is not to breed curs. As far as the breeds health you can pick out isolated incidents where a family of dogs was bred around a dog with a health defect but as a whole these dogs are still largely out ahead compared to other pure breeds.