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Hello, My names Breanna I own an AST and a Cane Corso APBT cross. Here tolearn more about APBT's and different lines of APBTs.

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Duch AKA The Beast 5 Year Old Cane Corso APBT Cross

 

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The Story of the Old Family Reds Written by Richard F. StrattonThis is the American Pitbull Terrier First, an overview. No one really knows when these dogs first came to this country, but the great breeder William J. Lightner once told me that his grandfather raised them before the Civil War. It is quite possible that they were even here during the Revolutionary War. In any case, it is clear that dogs of this breed came from various parts of Europe, specifically Spain and Sicily. But little is known about these earliest importation's, because nothing was written about them. (Books and periodicals containing information about dogs were rare in those days.) Their existence can be inferred from artwork, however. The most famous importation's were from Ireland, and were generally made by the Irish themselves after they emigrated to this country. (The bulk of the Irish pit dog importation's coincides or closely follows the great Irish migration that resulted from the famous potato famine.) Most of the Irish dogs were small and very closely inbred, but their gameness was proverbial especially that of the group of strains that was the "Old Family Reds" (just one segment of the Old Family bloodlines) is reprinted from Bloodlines Journal. It has always seemed to me that the good old Pit Bull is a breed that is at once primitive and futuristic. He looks no more out of place in the ancient landscapes of 16th century paintings than he does in the ultra-modern setting. It is beyond my capabilities to imagine an end to him, for every generation seems to supply a nucleus of hard core devotees completely committed to the breed. In any case, you can look into the murky past, and you will find it difficult to discern a beginning place for the breed, and, fortunately, the future seems to threaten no demise either. Ours is a breed that has a definite mystique. Part of it, no doubt, stems from the fact that it is an old breed and deeply steeped in tradition. Old strains are a particularly fascinating part of this tradition, and the Old Family Red Nose is one of the better known old strains. The appearance of the red-nosed dogs always attracts attention, but it takes a little getting used to for some people to consider them truly beautiful. However, no one denies that they radiate "class." Characteristically, a dog of the red-nosed strain has a copper-red nose, red lips, red toe nails, and red or amber eyes. Some think the strain was bred for looks. Others consider any dog that just happens to have a red nose to be pure Old Family Red Nose. It is hoped that the following will dispel such notions. About the middle of the last century there was a family of pit dogs in Ireland bred and fought chiefly in the counties of Cork and Kerry that were known as the "Old Family." In those days, pedigrees were privately kept and jealously guarded. Purity of the strains was emphasized to the extent that breeders hardly recognized another strain as being the same breed. For that reason all the strains were closely inbred. And whenever you have a closed genetic pool of that type, you are likely to have a slide toward the recessive traits, because the dominants, once discarded, are never recaptured. Since red is recessive to all colors but white, the "Old Family" eventually became the "Old Family Reds." When the dogs began coming to America, many were already beginning to show the red nose. The "Old Family" dogs found their way to America mainly via immigrants. For example, Jim Corcoran came to this country to fight the world heavyweight champion John L. Sullivan, and stayed to become a Boston policeman. He sent for dogs from his parents back in Ireland, and his importation's and expertise as a great breeder have earned him a prominent place in American (Pit) Bull Terrier history. Many other Irish immigrants also sent back to their families to request for dogs, and the "Old Family" and related strains became firmly established in the United States. At this point, there are several factors that are somewhat confusing to a student of the breed. For one thing, the term "family dogs" was used in two ways: It could mean a strain of dogs that was a family unto itself that was kept by a number of unrelated people in Ireland, or it could refer to a strain of dogs that was kept and preserved through the years by a family group. However, the old Family Reds seem to be of the first category. Another point that arises is that with all these importation's from Ireland (and there were importation's from other countries, too including Spain), where do we get off calling our breed the American Bull Terrier! Well...that's a point! The breed does not really belong to any one country or even any one era! However, I don't believe many people are in favor of changing the name of the breed even though it is not strictly an American breed. For that matter, it is not really a Bull Terrier, either! But the name American (Pit) Bull Terrier has become part of that tradition we were talking about, and I think most of us prefer to keep it as a formal name for the breed. Back to the Old Family Reds. The first big splash made by the red noses was back around 1900 when the great breeder William J. Lightner, utilizing Old Family Red bloodlines, came up with some red-nosed dogs that really made a name for themselves. Now Llightner once told me that he did not breed for that red-nosed coloration. In fact, he did not even like it and he only put up with it because the individual dogs were of such high quality. Eventually Lightner gave up the red-nosed strain when he moved from Louisiana to Colorado, where he came up with a new strain that consisted of small dark-colored dogs with black noses. He had given up on the other strain because they were running too big for his taste and because he didn't like the red noses. At this point in our story we come upon a comical, but highly respected, figure in the personage of Dan McCoy. I have heard old-time dog men from all over the country talk about this man. Apparently, he was an itinerant fry cook and not much of a success in life judged by normal standards, but he didn't care about that. What he did care about were Pit Bulldogs, and he had a wealth of knowledge about the breed. His uncanny ability to make breedings that "clicked" made him a respected breeding consultant and a most welcome guest at any dog man's house even if he had just dropped off a freight train! Always with his ear to the ground regarding anything that involved APBT's, McCoy got wind of the fact that an old Frenchman in Louisiana by the name of Bourgeous had preserved the old Lightner red-nosed strain. So he and Bob Hemphill went to that area, and with the aid of Gaboon Trahan of Lafayette, they secured what was left of the dogs. McCoy took his share to the Panhandle of Texas and placed them with his associates L.C. Owens, Arthur Harvey and Buck Moon. He then played a principal role in directing the breedings that were made by these fanciers. And from this enclave came such celebrated dogs as Harvey's Red Devil and Owens (Fergusons) Centipede. Hemphill eventually kept only dogs of the re-nosed strain. According to Hemphill, it was McCoy who first started using the term "Old Family Red Nose" for the strain. Another breeder who was almost synonymous with the red-nosed strain was Bob Wallace. However, Bob's basic bloodline was not pure Old Family Red Nose. But in the late 40's he was looking for the red-nosed strain in order to make an "out cross." (Bob was a scrupulously careful breeder who planned his breedings years in advance.) Unfortunately, he found that the strain was nearly gone, most of it having been ruined by careless breedings. He managed to obtain seven pure red-noses of high quality whose pedigrees he could authenticate. The strain subsequently saved for posterity and in the 1950's became the fashionable strain in Pit Bull circles. In fact, it was Bob Wallace himself who wrote an article in 1953 called "There Is No Magic in Red Noses" in which he tried to put a damper on the overly enthusiastic claims being made by some of the admirers of the strain. No more fervent admirer of the Old Family Reds ever lived than Wallace, but he obviously felt that the strain could stand on its own merits. Many strains have been crossed with the Old Family Reds at some time in their existence. Consequently, nearly any strain will occasionally throw a red-nosed pup. To many fanciers, these red-nosed individuals are Old Family Red Noses even though the great preponderance of their blood is that of other strains. Sometimes such individuals will fail to measure up and thereby reflect undeserved discredit on the red-nosed strain. However, as Wallace said, the red noses should not be considered invincible either. They produce their share of bad ones as well as good ones just as all strains do. As a strain, the Old Family Red Nose has several things going for it. First, it is renowned for its gameness. Second, some of the most reputable breeders in all Pit Bull history have contributed to the preservation and development of the strain. People like Lightner, McClintock, Menefee and Wallace, to mention just a few. "Regardless of one's historical perspective, these old amber eyed, rednosed, red-toe-nailed, red coated dogs represent some of the most significant pit bull history and tradition that stands on four legs today." Richard F Stratton   

 

Interested in the different lines of APBT's of today. We are going to beadding another dog to our home in the future and wanted to start research nowon what might be best for us. Lots of drive but able to co exist in a home withother dogs (supervised my dogs are never left alone unattended). I like thelook of the show APBT but want more drive than I have heard they have. I would like to get into weight pull, show and maybe rally/ agility with my next dog.

 

Get some of Richard F Stratton   books there in expensive and give u the fax also check out the Colby book by Louis B. COLBY it gives u the history of the grandfather of the APBT.

 

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christySYK Senior Member    Join Date: May 2009Location: Boise, IDPosts: 1,058Thanks: 61Thanked 178 Times in 128 Posts Floyd Boudreaux, A HistoryDisclaimer: This is for historical purposes. Floyd Boudreaux was recently found not guilty of dog fighting since it was made illegal in 1982. This is a man I personally have great respect for and applaud him for all he has done for the breed.Floyd Boudreaux-The following article can be found in the book entitled “American Pitbull” by SteidlFloyd Boudreaux has been involved with American Pit Bull Terriers from the time of his. A perfect southern gentleman and devoted family man, he has been raising dogs from the Boudreaux bloodline that has been his hallmark since the late 1930’s.The Interview: Mr. Boudreaux speaking;I’ve been working with the breed over half a century.I also have chickens. My dad had ‘em before I did, and then I had ‘em before I went to grade school.My son too. It’s always been a family affair. We do it on a shoestring, keep all the dogs on the same yard.But this is just a hobby. I’m a stone setter by trade, and my son does the same. Custom work is what I do, and I’ve been at it for a long time. My next birthday I’m going to be seventy. I’m located in the “hub city”-Lafayette, Louisiana. It’s a bit warm, but I got it pretty nice for the dogs. I have a kennel for them, plus I have what we call a “lean-t” that they can get under when it gets warm or cool or whatever. I don’t have many dogs, and I don’t breed many either-I don’t mass produce. Every now and again, when I need a litter, I just kinda breed one. I’d say I have twenty dogs right now, counting puppies.I don’t have any favorites, I sure don’t. In terms of working with these animals, good old common sense will carry you a long way-I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist. ‘Course I’ve been very fortunate to succeed with the dogs and the chickens. And no, they’re not ferocious. I wouldn’t keep nothing that’s ill-tempered in the chickens or the dogs. I got neighbor’s kids and grandkids…Hell, they all play here. So I have no use for that. It’s not my cup of tea.And the dogs don’t take as much work as people think. First thing in the morning I’ll pick up all the waste and make sure they have water before I ride off for the day. Then I do the same when I get back in the evening. Before we even have any supper, we’ll just clean up with the dogs and make sure everything is secured and everybody’s got water. The grown dogs, we feed once in the evening.We feed the young ones twice a day.And the little bitty ones, all their kennels and brood pens have self feeders, so they can eat all want at any given time.With the birds, you show both males and females, but mostly the males. They’re just dominant-in all walks of life it’s the same. You show the more outgoing animals. ‘Course you can get to where they get spoiled, the dogs and the birds. My grandkids have one dog that they call by the name of Girlfriend. She’s a national champion puller dog, but she’s only twenty-nine pounds-and she’s a house dog.These dogs sure enjoy the weight pulling. They pull on command. In other words, you can’t touch them, you can’t force them, you can’t threaten them. They all do this on their own, and if they choose not to do it they just don’t . I would never force an animal to do anything that he wouldn’t do on his own.When I was a younger fella we had some bird dogs, some champion dogs, sure did.Pointers and Irish Setters. But I wasn’t much in the sport of killing birds, so I just stuck to the Bulldogs instead. They’re sharp, they’re smart,they’re loyal…They’re the All-American dog.-The following are parts taken from Interview with Floyd Boudreaux taken From Fat Bill’s “Book Of Interviews”How many of us can say that his daddy had Bulldogs for more than 40 years? How many of us can say without exaggeration that he played an important role in developing a line of dogs that have stood the test of time and become the backbone of some of the best performing bloodlines around these days? One of the very few that can answer these questions with a positive “Yes!” is Floyd Boudreaux from Lafayette, Louisiana. We sat down and talked to Mr. Boudreaux about his most famous dogs, like the Blind Billy dog, Boze, Eli, Ox and many more. For the first time, Mr. Boudreaux is without any doubt a veryknowledgeable Dogman and has bred, raised and handled some of the best ever to cross a pit. Stay with us read about the living legend Mr. Floyd Boudreaux.What was your first dog and when was the first time for you to leave Louisiana with these dogs to fight into something other than local competition?I remember my first dog was a brindle female, her name was Flossie. I started at a very young age, but the first time for me to fight a dog in the fast lane must have been when I took Stagger Lee to San Antonio to one of Maurice Carver’s shows. I went into a guy named Steen and he had a dog called Roho. We had that dog beat, but he kept pushing his dog in the corner with his knees each time when it was his time to scratch. Maurice was the referee and I said ‘Gentlemen, be sure not to push that dog anymore, you have pushed him for the last time’. If I wouldn’t have said anything that time, who knows what might have happened!What was the Best dog you ever owned?They ask me that all the time, it’s tough to answer but I think I’m partial to my Boze dog. I probably had a few that were as good, but I always like him a lot. He won twenty seven rolls for me and he was always the smaller dog but they couldn’t beat him. He also won one contracted fight. One time, Jerry Clemmons and Douglas Nirider brought a dog that was nineteen pounds bigger than Boze, and that big dog would bite through car tires. When we put them down, it was a joke, Boze was a fast hard mouthed dog; he would fight high in the shoulder and destroy a dog quick. During the day time he would usually sleep with the puppies around the house and I always thought he was a little shy, just like Blind Billy. One time he won a fight in just six minutes, that was in New Orleans. We had ten matches that day and he beat a dog of Jerome Hernadez’ , he just wrecked the dog, it was no contest. Boze was out of Scrub and Candy, after that fight they claimed that their dog wasn’t conditioned. I don’t know, but mine was ready to fight. I matched against Jerome three time and won twice, Jerome was a Dogman and hard to beat.

 

Get a OFR old famely Red. thay still have the drive but not a game on fighting any more how much you trying to spend