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Producing A Champion

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Zylonist, Aug 24, 2014.

  1. Zylonist

    Zylonist Big Dog

    Louis Colby said " "If you mated two champion dogs and harvested a litter of 12 pups, there might be one champion in the group." Does anyone agree with those odds 1 in 12, granted the person who actually is LUCKY enough to attain this dog has enough experience and knowledge to maximize the dogs potential.
     
  2. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    in other words forget it with a litter of 5 ?? lol
     
  3. Zylonist

    Zylonist Big Dog

    ^^^^^ yes terrible odds, Colby would not like those odds lmao.
     
  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Two trains of thought. One, breeding is a crapshoot. Breed to best and best and hope for the best. That practice can make some nice looking pedigrees with a lot of winners.


    The kicker is that winning has nothing to with producing.


    The second train is that producers that are identified early on, bred to producers within the same family who possess the same traits and successes/percentages are increased. Easier said than done.


    Producing a champion is a great accomplishment in itself but the entire litter must be evaluated as well. If it were 11 curs and 1 champion then it would be a failure. If it were only 1 champ, 5 or 6 winners, a couple of game plugs and one or two curs it would be an incredibly successful litter, yet only 1 champion.


    S
     
  5. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    ^^^^I like that evaluation and it's shown true to form over the years. Good post, Slim.
     
  6. Zylonist

    Zylonist Big Dog

    "The second train is that producers that are identified early on, bred to producers within the same family who possess the same traits and successes/percentages are increased. Easier said than done. "

    This here takes a lot of patience, I'm guessing even skipping a few generations. Correct me if I'm wrong...
     
  7. kjaquez1

    kjaquez1 Pup

    Man I had no idea how in depth these dogs were I mean I knew a couple of cats that had them and that's how I could keep one as a pet but I'm just soaking up game like shit I wish I was white and from the old days.
     
  8. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    Zy, I think that one sentiment WITHIN that statement is that some may want to see what the first go round produced before making another with at least one of those said dogs. Slim can correct me if that isn't what he meant, but I do know some maintain this method.
     
  9. Zylonist

    Zylonist Big Dog

    TDK it makes sense, I understand what you are saying. My knowledge with breeding and producing is very limited.
     
  10. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    colby said ..be happy if you have one good one out of 12 ....
    some breed one to 10
    some one to 9 i and so on i qeuss
    every line family different
     
  11. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    Haven't wished I was white since I didn't know any better.... As far as the dog game goes, it's changed. Learn what you can from yesteryear and apply it today. We come a long way in dogs, conditioning, and feed. Stay legal these days... Blk men have owned some great dogs btw, research my friend
     
  12. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    As for the OP I think Mr Colby meant one exceptional individual out of a given litter of "bulldogs." Not "pits," but "bulldogs." A lot of ppl use the word for any APBT. I feel the nickname bulldog is earned not given... A litter of 12 might produce 6-7 bulldogs, 1 Ch, and a couple that don't work out. Chs don't all have the same comp. It's easier for some dogs to make Ch because of location and connections or lack of. Like SEC football. High ranked teams lose to mediocre ranked teams. It's because the comp is stiff that teams look mediocre. Put Ole Miss in the PAC 10.... Same thing. Good hound into good comp is harder to win
     
  13. Mudville_Monsta

    Mudville_Monsta Top Dog

  14. Zylonist

    Zylonist Big Dog

    C-note, like the response. Also agree that some dogs are put through a much easier class of competition to acquire rank.
     
  15. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    every area have ch's and his pups of ch's
     
  16. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    every area have his own ch's and his own pups of ch's
     
  17. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    so try to buy ..where are is the higest % of good dog's pup's ...on 12 lol
    also breed witht a line that have high % gameness ...because there are diffrence in the line's
    and read again the peace the indian wrote about colby
     
  18. kjaquez1

    kjaquez1 Pup


    I feel you I just don't imagine them old white dudes in the 1800s letting my Dominican ass nowhere near them matches but I'm soaking up game.
     
  19. kjaquez1

    kjaquez1 Pup

    I will indeed research but I'm staying way away from fighting. J don't really like or agree with going to the death. I mean a loss is a loss why not leave it there.
     
  20. redwar

    redwar Big Dog

    Possibly he wanted people to know that even with all the best intentions and playing the odds and likelihoods it was still a very hard endeavor to produce a Ch. seems there are more likelihoods to not create a Ch than there are "To" produce one?
    No matter the era or the level of ignorance good dogs and dogmen are respected, even if the owner was blue, sure you may be hated and slandered behind closed doors but that is still happening today.
     

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