Clouse/Crenshaw by way of Steinberg

Thanks for posting Fritz. I've seen a couple spookey weird ones, not the caliber of what you mentioned but they make me wonder why do they act that way and why are they fed.
. I enjoyed a short story of yours too, but can't remember the name.

 

Ch. Marvelle rings no bells, so probably not. I know there have been several Red Dangers. I remember Red Danger's beating one named DoubleOught (if I spelled that correctly), DoubleOught being one of the best around... till he met Red Danger. Remember, we're talking about over forty years ago. This old boy's memories start to dim.

 

I think the hardest worker, hardest worked part is the key to the lock. Thank you for sharing with us.
I am sure we can understand the feelings on that note, and that is a hard pill to swollow - I can only imagine your frustrations and thoughts when this was in real time.

Interesting to hear the result of the cross made. Just goes to show that nothing is for sure in the dogs.
Also - your recall and thought back to reflect on those days for us younger fellers is much obliged.
obviously times have changed and its all behind now, but we are gretful to read your take on the cross.
priceless information.

thanks again.

 

Could be that "Marvelle" dog was the one that stopped Red Danger, and the name Blevins rings a bell. I corresponded with Red Danger's owner after the fight, and what he told me was this:

He'd purchased Red Danger for $7,500 (way lots of money back then), but because he, Blevins, was crippled, he enlisted Clouse's help in conditioning and matching the dog. Now get this... Red Danger, top dog as he was, was going against a first-timer, one that had never even been matched. But yes, Red Danger died several minutes into the match, hardly a tooth in him! How does one make sense of that? Was it as I suggested? -- that Clouse had overworked the dog, brought him in virtually exhausted? And then, as I was following these happenings quite closely at the time, I remember hearing the dog that had "beaten" Red Danger quit after just a few minutes into his second match. But no, the dog that "beat" Red Danger was no champion. As reported in the dog mags at the time, Red Danger was that dog's first match opponent, and when he met another he quit almost immediately.

Lots of fishy scents to sort through there, but what would dogfighting be without them? Unfortunate that we even have to ask such a question.

 

Couldn't it have been the epilepsy that caught up with Red Danger, and he had a seizure? If it had of been anyone else that conditioned him, I could believe they overworked him to such an extent. But Bert Clouse by everything I've read on him, was just to honest and experienced a dogman to make such an error.

 

There were a number of Steinburg x dogs in the PNW and Canada in the 80s. Most I saw were very game, but lacked real talent. I didnt see the quirks, but that could have been how they were crossed?


Take care.

 

I don't know how the epilepsy might have affected Red Danger. That's why I gave him away in the first place. I had the other nine in the litter to bring on, and so why spend time on one with epilepsy? But when an experienced dogman, Clouse in this instance, says a certain dog is the hardest worker he ever saw -- again, it seems to me as good as saying that he, Clouse, had worked the dog harder than any dog he'd ever worked before. How does a four-time winner go in there, hardly even get bitten -- and then die in a few minutes? Truly, I want to put a bunch of question marks after that question, not just one.

 

My guess is you were seeing Steinberg's Clouse-bred dogs before he made the Crenshaw cross.

 

i would be more apt to think someone stuck him with a mix to make him die, but that is just a shot in the wind, from someone who knows no party or the dogs . seems an easy way to get real comp out of the way if a player is a cheat i guess - sad that money and gambling have the ability to overcome the most important factor in the game dog - GAMEness - but in certain incidents throughout history, many of good dog men have been cheated, and that is sad also.
The dogs should always come first - kinda like the ducking dog thread - sad facts -

 

Good read and very interesting bit of history Fritz and TDK. Thank you both!

 

Yes apparently we did treez. lol Still all the insight and forethought that goes into posts by men with knowledge such as TDK and Fritz is and always will be appreciated.

 

I've only known two shows that ended that quickly with the loser dying with hardly a mark on him, both dog's had seizure's one I know had epilepsy. Which is why I asked the question.
I never considered Danger getting stuck but something of the sort must have happened or seems likely. Even if Danger was overworked or even if rubbed I would still expect him to last alot longer than a few minutes.
I once read somewhere that Big Brad had a few Steinburg dogs and once had one called ch Red Danger, I don't know but it might be the same dog.

 

I'm loving all the history. Thank you all for sharing.

 

Gotta say, nightmarish tales like this was what helped get me out of the game. Who the fuck needs it?

By the way, Blue, I was unable to respond to your last private message due to your not emptying your store of messages, or something like that.