Producer of Record

Having a discussion regarding POR. Not sure if Im correct but didn't a dog have to attain the necessary points to qualify for POR in a certain number of breedings or with a certain number of offspring? Or was there no limit to the number of offspring or breedings to qualify?

 

P.O.R. (Producer of Record).*Is given for producing winners. Dog get a point for every win recorded by the offspring of a sire or dam, with additional points for both CH and GR CH.

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I know how that point accumalation works. Just cant remember where I read something regarding either a limit on the number of offspring or number of breedings.
It most probably was in a discussion on a forum. Maybe the limit was mentioned as a proposal and I thought it was part of the original requirements.
Thanx cajun

 

There's no limit

 

There's no limit but some like to look at number of Breedings took to obtain it. I'd definitely value one with less pups on the ground with the title than one with a Shit load

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So, we had a stud dog that was bred 4 times by us and 8 times altogether. He produced 3 2x winners, 2 1x winners and a game 1x loser by us and nothing for the idiots that had him breeding to nothing gyps. Does he qualify for POR?

 

Not unless the 3 2X winners win one more each. lol There is a set standard for one making ROM or POR, I just didnt give a fuck about it enough to remember what those standards were LOL.

I remember joining Ed's Registry a long while ago were there were so many weird type of rules and points systems that just complicated the shit out it for me to bow out lol.

 

It is I believe an ol" Your friend in mine" instituted standard. 1point for a 1x, 2 for a 2x,3 for a ch, I believe 5 for a Grch ect... A male has to have a total of 15 points and a female 13 I think. Not sure ill have to think about it. It's been a while. It's somewhere in the brainhousing just have to think about it.

 

From what I know it's a point per win, 12 for males 8 for females

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TL Williams started it with his mag

 

Sounds right... Then pretty simple for POR

 

The Producer of Record (POR) is a title which was set up to reflect the true nature of a dogs ability to produce. A great producer does one thing, and that is produce bulldogs consistently. It is the sole duty of the POR title to reflect the genetic ability of these bulldogs.

These bulldogs are found and reflected upon in many ways, what the POR does, is unique. All aspect and accomplishments of their offspring, is weighed and then measured next to consistency. The POR system is very simple, and direct.
All bulldogs will have their offspring's accomplishments listed in this fashion, with no exceptions.

(during a show)
A dog that curs............ -3.0 points
A dog picked up game....... 1.0 point
1st win.................... 1.0 point
2nd win.................... 2.0 points
3rd win.................... 3.0 points
4th win.................... 4.0 points
5th win or more............ 5.0 points
Example.... A dog who has won 2, and picked up game on its 3rd would receive 1.0 point for its 1st, 2.0 points for its 2nd, and 1.0 point for being picked up game. Total = 4 points for its sire and dam.
(producing producers)
Every dog that produces a POR, they are to receive 6.0 points.

Example.... A dog has produced 2 POR dogs, they are to receive 12.0 points.

OVERALL

Each point will only account for 2 dogs, 1.0 point = 2 offspring. (if a dog has 20 points, they can have no more than 40 offspring. If a dog has 50 points, they can have no more than 100 offspring)
Any dog who does not have enough points to account for its offspring, does not deserve the POR title.

Example.... A bitch that has 10.0 points, and 20 or less offspring, she has reached the POR title. If the same bitch has 21 offspring and only 10.0 points, she is not POR.
There is no difference in the scoring for males and females, all are held to the same standard, and must not exceed the points to offspring ratio.


Hope this helps...

 

Good info ...

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I tried my best to buy this dog but things just didn't go that way. If he were to be offered at public stud I feel sure he would have hit the mark.

 

I've seen that circulated before but it's incorrect. There are no points lost for curring out or gained for being picked up game. Those were later added by someone.

The # of offspring thing isn't part of the "official" POR either. Although none of those are bad suggestions when determining how well of a producer you have.

 

This is wrong.

 

I think this came out of an old sdj.... i agree with Naus there should be some guideline to the % of offspring. RnR if you would be so kind and shed some light?

 

Because
1w=1pt
2w=2pt
3w=3pt
4w=4pt....so that equals 10pts on one hound off 4ws? Plus 1more for CH?
That's why I believe it to be wrong. I believe it to be a point per W and an additional point for CH and Gr CH. Not sure but a good topic to see how others view it. Shows why there is so many arguments and disagreements.

 

I've always known it to be one point per win period. No points lost for curs and no points for game loser. I don't think you should get extra point for earning title because you get a point for every win. If the above was true that'd mean every dog that ever produced a Gr Ch would be a producer of record.

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I think it's just A gimmick! I never took any of this serious, after seeing A few things and talking to A few people! Just stuff to fill the pages of magazines and get big bucks for pups! On the other hand getting recognition after the dogs gone without A ridiculous amount of breeding's that would be different! For reference on future bredings!