Gameness in you?

good reads little gray!!!

 

I've seen one scratch to a dead one on three broke legs after 2 hours and some change and the next morning while watching the film she heard her handler on TV talking to her she got up and scratched to the TV so that in my opinion is pretty good proof of what the bond does for you another example I witnessed one pull her self across with her nose the handler was talking to her the whole time tell her she could do it he never quit on her and it showed

 

That term Hiding the cur had me LMAO as well as many other posts on this topic. LOL

 

I don't care how great the conditioning is a curr is a curr if it never gets hurt a real bulldog will make it stop I saw a saint gyp stop a 2x winner in a roll just by scratching to it so hard no matter what any one trys to say my opinion has been proved many times hard mouth currs have quit on top because their opponent wouldn't stop until it was dead

 

Sorry tried to type to fast saitin gyp

 

Well you're right about having to be able to weather the storm but we've never had a problem with being out conditioned used the keep so many times it became second nature to us a big plus for us was being able to have the bigger dog because of the keep we used and to be honest 99% of the currs wouldn't make it through our keep but I will agree there is a few freaks of nature out there that can kill in one bite

 

And the only reason I say 99% instead of 100% is because of bellon clubs flame made 4 times before she quit but we said she was a curr from the first time we saw her but she really didn't quit against bb red because neither one ever started that night just a bunch of humping growling and one snap by bb red and that won her dog of the year

 

I agree alot of rank curs stop on top for different reasons and handlers focus and bond seems to be some of them...

sure a cur is a cur but so are many owners and those who understand might not never know if their charge is that type of cur...

Good reads Slim and little gray...

 

As one old timer said, humans will never be as game as the dogs they handle.


Gameness is mistunderstoof by many. Many game dogs have lost, due to lack of mouth or ability, or both.
Hemphill said, "Nine out of ten dogs quit due to conditioning." (This was back long before these dogs went into the public, too, so the ratio may be greater now)
IMO, he meant that only one in ten dogs is actually dead game. One dogman put it something like this:
A poorly conditioned dog will tire faster than a dog properly conditioned.
When they lack ability they get fatigued, then frustrated, then hurt. This is why a dog quits.

Few dogs are actually willing to take their death in the pit. Corvino said, "Don't be surprised when they quit, but when they stay."

Matches aren't about fighting to the death. It is to determine the better fighter. However, as many may have heard, game dogs have won by intimidating the other dog, even though that other dog was winning.
Gameness is the last thing seen, but if a game dog has both ability and mouth, it usually doesn't have to get to the point to show its Gameness.
This is why, IMO, the barnstorming dogs lose....when they meet a game dog that has the skill to make it the first 30 minutes.
The barnstorming hard mouth dogs then tire and get frustrated, and lose their mouth after this point.
Against a truly skillful defensive dog, that preserves its energy, it cannot find its hot spot, and so exhausts itself faster.

Recently saw two matches from overseas, and both dogs were game as hell, but lost.
On courtesy scratches they both pushed themselves across the pit to get to the other dog.
These losing dogs actually thought they were winning....that is Gameness, but they lacked the mouth and ability.
Neither match lasted more than 40 minutes, either. This tells me had they been conditioned better, it may have turned out different.
But; both dogs failed to protect their front legs and know how to counter.

That being said, a good handler must know the dog he has. They cannot expect it to do more than it is capable of.
Against a better and harder biting dog, therefore, they need to turn it into a scratching match.... Because this is how a gamer dog of lesser mouth and ability wins, IMO.

Somebody said "bringing out the cur." Any dog can be made to quit. Few, very few, dogs are "dead game."
A handler, therefore, must know what his dog can take, and whether it has a better mouth and ability.
If it does, they shouldn't call a turn, fang, or anything. Let it be a short match.
However, if their dog lacks these as opposed to the other dog, it must win by scratching.

So, a dog in itself isn't what makes the biggest difference. It is the conditioning it had, and the knowledge the handler has in making the most of an opportunity.

 

I like this one.

 

I have got one of your hounds litter-mates.

 

Sometimes it's about styles to,you take a dog who likes the front legs against a good head dog and he is gone take a beatin.lol....as u said ,doesn't sound like they had much goin for them.

 

Just thought of A dog I saw Orbie Copland match. His name was Carpetback, and for A good reason! He had zero talent, zero bite, but the one thing he had was one of the fastest scratching dogs I've seen! He would start A scratching contest release his first no matter whos turn and nail the dog in there corner every time another quick handle and the same thing!!! At A certain point he'd hold his perfectly still and cover it as much as the referee would let him, well the opponent would just stand there waiting!!! He was A VERY tight bred Hienzel dog and unless you see one die in holt, it's all speculation! Nowing your dogs weaknesses and strengths make all the difference! One of the last matches I saw (1976) my partner went into somebody who just totally missed on his keep you could see it in the dogs structure and eyes in the wash room! On top of that there was close to 10 grand exchanged hands!! Some times you just think you've seen it all, then BAM!!!

 

I saw one quit in my back yard in about 5 min. In a roll a friend said he wanted him because he had stopped one of his 6 months later he took the same dog to Mexico and the dog died trying to make his scratch only thing I can think is that the dog done it for his owner what do y'all think

 

Either that or the dog in Mexico wasn't putting it on his ass like the one in backyard did