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How prominent is blood doping?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by CockneyRebel123, Jun 6, 2023.

  1. In modern times how common is the use of steroids in the dogs? Do you see it as cheating or a necessity? We see how difficult it is to govern in human sports so would be next to impossible to govern with the dogs. How much of a boost does it actually give a dog when done right?
     
  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It is more and more prevalent in the dogs. I am not sure it is 'common' but I think the numbers go up per day.

    Do they work? Absolutely or professional athletes would not risk millions of dollars to help make millions of dollars. They simply work.

    Is it a necessity? I don't think so.

    I am no expert but have seen them used a lot over the years. What I have seen is that the number of people going that route has increased over the years. I think the percentages of getting it right is still low, to really low. When someone nails it and is spot on, that dog is really hard to handle. The odds of repeating that success time and time again is rather low.

    It is sort of like when there is a win it is the man behind the dog and the things the man does with his dog. When there is a loss it is the dog.

    I had a GRCH Virgil/RBJ male once that was an exceptional young dog. In his first outing as he was doing what he was bred to do the other male made some ju-jitsu like move, threw his back leg over and started humping mine in the middle of the floor. I think that approach really confused my dog as he was no longer doing his thing he was trying not to get tagged in the ass. They missed on the steroids and this dogs was thinking more about humping than anything else.

    When they were separated he was dry humping in the corner. Once the humping started he only came out once more. He had been a good dog but their missing with the juice made him a cur on that day.

    When it hits the mark the only 'damage' it can do to the breed is making a 30 minute front running hard mouth cur a 60 minute front running hard mouth cur. That usually ends up in a W and people like breeding to and having puppies off winners. Steroids can't cure the cur but it can hide it long enough to gain a W.

    I can remember way back when hearing, "that camp you are going into uses the gas" and I was always a bit happy with that news.

    The percentages said I had an even better chance.

    S
     
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  3. What gear is the preferred steroid of choice, the most potent for humans is Trenbolone, it's a steroid used to bulk cattle, sends people nutty, can't imagine what it would do to a bulldog.
     
  4. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    In my experience... equpoise, epo, and actual blood doping... everything I've personally seen used was to boost 02%
     
  5. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    O2******

    Tren is to bulk... would be counter productive to a keep....

    Just like the point of the exercise changes the juice cocktail changes.

    The dogs aren't body builders.... think Lance Armstrong not Ronnie Coleman...
     
  6. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    And I'm no expert on the juice but the whole "McGregor liked a pic on twitter of a dude beating his dick because of tren" or "roid rage" is more of a case by case basis and not the standard. I know someone who has been blasting and cruisine Test, Tren, Deca for 2 years. He ain't hulked out on his lady for dinner being cold or became suspect.... it's dosage, your body, your mindstate, and what you're trying to achieve all weighed out and dialed in.
     
  7. I can understand it being more like cycling and endurance sports where they dope the blood to allow more oxygen in to the blood.

    If anyone recalls the Aaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello bout, Pryor was fading and his cornerman Panama Lewis was crying for a bottle of drink he had mixed, after Pryor drank that he came out like a man possessed. Rumour is, the substance in that drink was some sort of asthma medication that opens up the airways which allows you to take in more oxygen.
     
  8. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Since there are time outs and no timed rounds and no set distances the cyclist approach or cyclist goal is a good way to go.

    Equipoise has been a solid choice for a long time. It does not give massive gains and the gains are lasting. It also helps in cutting weight as well.

    Winstrol is another popular steroid with the dogs. Like just about all steroids, it has great recovery properties and the dogs seem to recover as well with Winstrol as any of them.

    The trick with most of the steroids is to do any muscular endurance or heavy pulling late in the workout. Free spinning slat mill work as the bulk of the work and then end of the workout maybe some carpet mill work or pulling some chains.

    The object with using the steroids is more the ability to recover and do more work sooner than it is to build big muscles.

    S
     
  9. Would you say more than half are using PED's these days or is it still quite a rare procedure?
     
  10. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Ssdd is correct
    " blood doping" is different than anabolic use. When folks talk blood doping they really just focused on oxygen and RBC not strength performance. However it is sort of both. More oxygen will make stronger over a period of time without the adverse affect of muscle mass. P4p these dogs are naturally strong and powerful.
     
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  11. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Yes. Well said. Most keeps are designed to tone what they have and provide them the ability to be stronger for longer which is much different than just stronger.

    Mass muscles must be fed and are fed with blood/oxygen. Blood and oxygen are at a premium in the show and feeding a mongo set of quads takes time and volume. By the time that gets done those needed items are depleted and life goes south from there.

    The steroids are used for recovery. Similar in intent of EPO/blood doping. In people terms it is pretty impressive to bench a set of 220lbsX8, the 300lbsX6 then 400lbsX4 and 500lbsX1. Afterwards is that person is all knotted up on the couch for three days tied up with soreness and cramps it sort of takes away from that accomplishment. Add steroids and the recovery from one day to the next is amazing and more work can be put in the following day.

    Over time the recovery from set to set improves. Each time recovery improves the work amount goes up and from there muscles grow and mass builds.

    Mass is hard to feed as why muscle bound dudes don't do well in marathons.

    S
     
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  12. Just to add a little insight to someone who has been using PED's for over 10 years.

    Tren would be terrible for a game dog. It absolutely kills any type of cardio endurance. Can attest it does turn you into a complete aggressive nut but that wouldn't over come the fact that you would be gassed in 5 minutes haha.
    Winstrol I wouldnt think this would be great because in human use it wrecks your joints but could be wrong.
    Equipoise like slim said I think this would be a winner.

    I would think something simple like test and var would be great for a game dog. This is just all speculation from my part.
     
  13. I bet people have doped their dogs with amphetamines before lol.
     
  14. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I am sure all kinds of things have been tried in the pursuit if winning. I would not be surprised at anything.

    Steroids are very effective, the same as blood doping/EPO type supplements in people. Dogs the same. The difference being it is much easier to hit said target in people than in the dogs.

    A MMA guy can tailor his usage to be able to go all out for five minutes, rest and then go again. A cyclists can tailor their efforts to continual intervals of riding and sprinting for X amount of miles per ride. Lifters do not have to breathe to get massive and strong.

    And none of them have their lives on the line when the referee says , "Go!". None of them take off with everything they have and have no clue when it ends.

    Having a canine hit target is doable, and when the target is hit, it is very hard to handle by his 'equal'. The odds, and history, suggest the missing the target happens more often than hitting it, much less being spot on.

    S
     
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  15. Fl0w

    Fl0w Pup

    Hey there, I have a question as I know some of you now there stuff when it comes to juicing dogs.
    Is there anything out there that makes a dog pee red?
     
  16. Beetroot.
     
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  17. Fl0w

    Fl0w Pup

    My question was addressed to people that know what they're talking about, not to Soze little brother.
    But thanks for the insight \m/
     
  18. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Red or blood? Blood would be kidneys or urinary stract issues.
     
  19. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Tract*
     
  20. Fl0w

    Fl0w Pup

    It was like the dog ate a shit ton of beetroot before, or like diluted blood. If it can help one/two hours later the dog was peeing normal again.
     

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