McCoy?

Anyone out there work with any McCoy lines?

I've been wracking my brains lol to figure out a good cross or if I should do a line breeding.
I know that they cross well with Red Devil..but its been done enough so i was looking into other lines ..partiualrly Boudreaux or Honeybunch. I know that Eli works well, too..

Heres the line breeding I might do.. both dogs are bulldogs to the core.. female produced some good show pups with alot of fire, male has never been bred yet. He's honest and game to the core..but his size is what hinders me. I'm hoping that by linebreeding they stay small..

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=104538

 

I'm not familiar with any of that stuff, I'd say if you know, or believe a cross with it is already working, you might wanna stay with that...I notice in the bottom side of the bitch, some UKC GR CH stuff and some blues...I'd make sure you check that stuff very hard, depending on what you are looking for...

BB

 

Sorry I cant help.......I went back 20 gen's back in your dogs ped and didn't know one dog????????

 

Here's a little info on some McCoy dogs that i found on another website that I check out...Maybe this will give you some insight to these dogs...

Post 1
Alot of good dogs came down from the old John Rozmus/McCoy line which is old Bob Neblett blood. The most famous probably being GrCh Beartrap McCoy(5xw). Well a friend of mine who is a member of this board still has and uses some real good blood bred like GrCh Beartrap from the old J.Rozmus blood and has also crossed it with some pure Red Devil stock!
Post 2
The stuff we have is exactly the same just doesn't come through Beartrap himself. Beartrap was double bred on Rozmus' Roudy McCoy(good dog) and the stuff we have is inbred Roudy McCoy just farther back in the pedigree. I know the fellas from TN and I'm planing to get some stuff down from Beartrap also. The bitch buddy uses is a real game, hard mouthed dog and seems to be throwing the same so far. His father ran this blood back in the 70's and 80's and beat Kingfish twice will Bullhead McCoy and lost game to GrCh Art with Polar McCoy.
Post 3
I know one of the guys that had a lot to do with Beartrap back then. He said Beartrap himself was a good dog, but was never bred a lot and never produced very high percentages. He did say he really liked ol' Trap though.

Not alot of info, but better than nothing at all i reckon, hope this helped some.
BB

 

Been tested hard....no need to worry otherwise she'd be 6ft under already.

The litter she was from has been producing very well out of the few litters that are now of age..very very consistant ,especailly in drive and fire. Her particular Gr CH UKc lines have produced winners. Definelty not my line of choice in that department ..but theres more to it that the Gr CH bit. but she earned the right to breed based on her tests.. not because of a piece of paper. The hard part now is finding what will continue to keep that up and breed out the other. She is worth it ..even if I have to cull litter after litter lol.

 

All my dogs stem down from those McCoy dogs..Polar, Bullhead..etc. I got them straight of Rozmus' yard. (M Rozmus..John's son. john passed in the 80's)
Polar didnt lose game.. he was a 1xL DG to Art in 1:15 with no turns. He was also 1/2 brother to Mighty Fido the Wonder dog 7XW

Beartrap is the stuff we'd like to get, however. Havent seen much if it around here. Probably never will. He was a good looking dog, too.. looked like he could go forever. My dogs have some Kingfish trough Baer's Hoochieman (also Berry's CH Caleb) and way back you'll find some Norrod and Wilder.

 

If he lost DG...he still lost game, he didn't win DG or anything like that, or Art wouldn't be a GR CH...whether it was DG or not...it was still a game loss.
BB

 

I quite dont understand that one then. Even though the dog "lost" the match.. If the handler say picked him up or stopped, how is that losing game? If the dog up and quit, never scratched back, jumped the wall then I understand ..
Kingfish is still considered a Gr CH even though he lost twice to the same dog..contract matches but they werent reported. so techincally he's not a Gr CH ..but everytime I see his name its still "GR CH" Kingfish.

 

If a dog is picked up, and then put down the dog can then make a courtesy scratch to prove the depth of its gameness. It is then a loser game. If the dog quits/won't scratch back/jumps the wall it is a cur. Loser game ain't bad, cur is..

 

I've done some McCoy crosses. I found that several lines cross well with it. I have two Crenshaw/McCoy male thats really hot, a Bolio/McCoy female, Sorrell/McCoy female . These crosses work really well. I even bred my Crenshaw/McCoy male to my Bolio/McCoy female and they all are tight.

 

I'll be damn, Dan is still alive!
Good see a real dogman here on these boards.

How in hell have you been?
When was the last time I saw you?
I can't remember the last time.

I remember one time ,we were off judging dog shows in Mass. staying in a house with two blonde babes. LOL.

Marty is still around but I heard he was in FL. for awhile with his painting company.
He has a few of his good ones still around.

 

I hear There may still be some Beartrap Blood tucked away somewhere in Tn. Do you know if there is any truth to this?? Marty is home not in Fl. I could posibly put you in toutch with him Pm me. Do you have any pedigres of youre old Mccoy stock I'd love to see them. Here is a Mccoy/wilder bitch I own.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=191778

 

At one time, the mccoy lines were some good dogs. I started out with some of the old blood and was very happy with it, back in early 80's. Extremely intelligent, game dogs, but many lacked natural wind. Conditioning was imperative with them. Beartrap was a great dog, I have heard nothing but good things about him.

However, the quality has whittled down to almost zero. A man named Don Lockrey, here in MI, crossed bandogs into the lines for years. I know this for a fact, as he lived close by and I seen tons of the dogs. He chose the Mccoy line papers to hang on them. Many of the dogs were 90-100 pounds, and looked terrible. Over the years, I have seen where the breeders changed the name from Lockrey back to Rozmus to hide this. Of course the size goes down after a few generations, but the gameness does not come back. So I guess it is just buyer beware. It is a shame because there were some good ones. If I was looking for a "fastlane" bulldog, I would spend my money elsewhere. Don't get me wrong I loved the old mccoy stuff, but it ain't what it used to be.

 

As a whole the line is not what it once was I give you that, but it is not all crossed with bandogs. Not all has lockery blood in it. There are a small handfull of this blood that is still tru to form.

 

does anybody still cary the nebletts blood tight?

 

The Mccoy dogs are Nebletts dogs. Closest thing to it at least.

 

I dont know bout that bro with the little research Ive done the rozmus line,and the scott line throw bully looking dogs weighing preety heavy but shit could just be which line you look at

 

HowardPit1,is that you? The owner of Flame/Tugger/etc? If so, it's me, Andrew.

I did not know you were on here, if that's you.

Anyhow, getting to the original question, from 5 years ago, here's a pic of my McCoy bitch, Bell. She's a hell-of-a dog, that is for sure. She's like 17" tall and 43-47 pounds

 

Hi,
Some of the Mccoy dogs are purebred, but just to be safe I would stay away from anything with Lockrey in it, which seems to be mostly all I see. I had some good ones, that were pure, some minks stuff that went into Mccoy. Also Pacman had some good ones, at one time.
I went to an ADBA show about 6-7 years ago and the Rozmus "boys" showed up with a dog that was about 100 pounds and drooling like a mastiff, bragging it was pure McCoy. They had a towel and kept wiping his mouth. I am not kidding. They honestly did not have clue. I was already familiar with the Lockrey McCoy stuff so was not too shocked. A friend of mine took pics, it was so funny, I would have to try to get her to send them to me.

Like I said, there are some good Mccoy dogs, but scarce because of all the litters Lockrey bred(20-30 litters), and then people after him. He even got banned from AKC for Mixxing pits into the mastiffs. He had no scruples.

The bells mccoy stuff was good, and Baers stuff too. however, down the line most got mixxed with the Lockrey from people trying to "linebreed" LOL.

A lot of people knew this and had dogs with the crap in them, so they went on peds online and changed the peds to Rozmus instead of Lockrey. So to know for sure, you would have to see an old UKC ped or maybe adba, where the names still say Lockrey. it's a mess!

There is Kennel named peachtree in georgia, that had pure (real APBTs)nebletts stuff, but don't know if they are still breeding. Also, som of the old Emmitt's stuff would be good.
Yes, Andrew this is Howard.

 

You have done a lil reserch. Me Nightmare and Howard know the source of the blood. Howerd is pritty mutch spot on with his post. Most of the Blood was ruend. However there are still reminants of the blood left in tact. Sgt Storm and Harddrive were honest dogs. Thay are now rip but there is quality offspring from them dogs still around.