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Food-Guys I need help

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by kinggatorpits, Oct 31, 2007.

  1. BoiBoi

    BoiBoi CH Dog

    bro let me tell u, my dog was on beneful (i know i know garbage) for the better part of a year and a half before i learned better. I then decided to switch him onto Innova EVO and he did horrible on it with loose stools for the better part of a month, after that i switched to Canidae and it took at least 2 months for the dog to adjust to the feed. After he adjusted though the results were amazing, the thing is u have to have patients with one food, the dog will go through a sort of detox period between switching feeds, especially if ur switching from a low quality to a high quality
  2. tommy3

    tommy3 CH Dog

    I'll agree that the most expensive food doesn't always mean the best. However, foods from Purina and the rest of the bottom of the barrell foods are not good. They are produced with ingredients to save them money and your animal suffers for it.

    A truly good food will not have these ingredients I point out below which Purina Hi Pro has.

    Ingredients of Hi Pro
    Beef and bone meal, ground wheat, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, ground yellow corn, beef tallow preserved with mixed-tocopherols (source of vitamin E), soybean meal, animal digest, salt, potassium chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, choline chloride, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, vitamin supplements (A, E, B-12, D-3), DL-Methionine, manganese sulfate, niacin, calcium carbonate, brewers dried yeast, copper sulfate, calcium pantothenate, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, calcium iodate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite. W-4293

    Regarding, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity). Taken from Dogfoodproject.com.

    Regarding menadione sodium bisulfite:
    • causes cytotoxicity in liver cells
    • causes formation of radicals from enzymes of leucocytes, with the consequence of cytotoxic reactions
    • considerably weakens the immune system
    • possible mutagenic effects
    • damages the natural vitamin K cycle
    • has no effect on coumarin derivatives, which are often present in commercial food due to mold contamination (toxic when ingested)
    • causes hemolytic anemia and hyperbilirubinemia, not just linked to large doses
    • disturbs the level of calcium ions (Ca2+) in the body, which is an important factor fibrinolysis
    • is directly toxic in high doses (vomiting, albuminuria), unlike natural vitamin K
    • builds up in tissue and has been detected in eggs, meat and milk of animals supplemented with menadione derivatives
    • causes irritation of skin and mucous membranes
    • causes allergic reactions and eczema
    Bässler, K.-H. et al. (1997): Vitamin-Lexikon für Ärzte, Apotheker und Ernährungswissenschaftler. ISBN: 3437211404
    DGE (2000): Referenzwerte für die Nährstoffzufuhr. ISBN: 3829571143
    Elstner, E. F. (1990): Der Sauerstoff. ISBN: 3411140011
    Friedrich, W. (1987): Handbuch der Vitamine. ISBN: 3541120118
    Hoehne, Dr. med. vet. Eberhard (1985): Vitamine. ISBN: 3873470284
    Things to consider

    Menadione (e.g. menadione sodium bisulfate, menadione sodium bisulfite or menadione dimethylpyrimidinol bisulfite)
    • has never been researched or specifically approved for long term use, such as in pet food
    • has been banned from use in food and supplements for human use in many European countries due to serious side effects, including permanent damage and deaths
    • FDA has banned synthetic vitamin K from over-the-counter supplements because of its high toxicity
    • vitamins K1 and K2 are metabolized through the lymphatic system, utilizing pancreatic enzymes and bile acids and regulated by the liver. Vitamin K3 is absorbed directly and bypasses the natural pathways and regulators.
    Regarding corn gluten:
    An inexpensive by-product of human food processing which offers very little nutritional value and serves mainly to bind food together. It is not a harmful ingredient but should be avoided simply for its poor nutritional value and quality.

    Regarding Brewers rice:
    A processed rice product that is missing many of the nutrients contained in whole ground rice and brown rice. Contrary to what many pet food companies want to make you believe, this is not a high quality ingredient, just much cheaper than whole grain rice.

    Regarding beef tallow:
    Dogs and cats like the taste of this fat, so it is often used to make low-quality food more palatable. Beef tallow is very low in linoleic acid and much cheaper for the pet food industry to use than a good quality vegetable oil or nutritionally rich chicken fat.

    Regarding animal digest:
    A cooked-down broth made from unspecified parts of unspecified animals. The animals used can be obtained from any source, so there is no control over quality or contamination. Any kind of animal can be included: "4-D animals" (dead, diseased, disabled, or dying prior to slaughter), goats, pigs, horses, rats, misc. roadkill, animals euthanized at shelters, restaurant and supermarket refuse and so on.

    Regarding Beef and Bone meal:
    A byproduct made from beef parts which are not suitable for human consumption. It can incorporate the entire cow, including the bones, but the quality cuts of meat are always removed. This is an inexpensive, low quality ingredient used to boost the protein percentage.

    Regarding Soybean meal:
    A poor quality protein filler used to boost the protein content of low quality pet foods. Has a biologic value lof ess than 50% of chicken meal.

    From www.dogfoodproject.com

    I can't see a food that carries known toxins and uses ingredients that sacrifice quality such as this is good for any dog.

  3. NCPatchwork

    NCPatchwork CH Dog

    I use Exclusive and Authority Harvest Baked..
  4. pennsooner

    pennsooner CH Dog

    Ocean Blue and Wilderness Elk and Salmon. However I've got an old (12-13 year old) dog. I'd feed one of the more high protein blends if I had a younger more active dog.
  5. tommy3

    tommy3 CH Dog

    I know this question wasn't for me but I am currently feeding the Wild and Natural Elk at this time. I switch around flavors every few months.

    I have a 45 lb dog and a 16.5 lb bag lasts a month. That means I am spending about $36 a month on food which I don't believe is too bad.
  6. dmx215

    dmx215 Big Dog

    so what kind is best 4 a 16 week old pup
  7. tommy3

    tommy3 CH Dog

    If it was me, I would feed anything except the Wild and Natural and Ocean Blue. Nothing against those two but I just think that there are better choices for a puppy. The better choices, in my opinion are:

    Black Forest
    Southwest Chicken
    Wilderness Elk
    Dakota Bison
    Nutrient Dense Lamb

    I believe any of those would be great for a puppy.
  8. dmx215

    dmx215 Big Dog

    thanks alot will try

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