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~ Heartworm Treatment ~

Discussion in 'Parasites' started by Your Worst Nightmare, May 7, 2004.

  1. Phebes

    Phebes Pup

    Re: Heartworms

    6 months after that dog needs to be tested
     
  2. Heartworms?????

    ok, so i'm pretty sure that one of my dogs has heartworms due to her gradual weight loss, coughing and sneezing...but ive been giving them all the oral ivermectin monthly...has anyone ever upped the dose on the ivermectin for faster results? I just cant afford the doggone vet :mad: and the fastkill treatment they speak of worries me...anyone got some advice?:(
     
  3. Ricky1969

    Ricky1969 Big Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    I know people has given Ivermectin in the mouth of the dog but yo should only inject it in the dog thats what the bottle says its works better for me that way
     
  4. fblb

    fblb Top Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    If you can't afford your own animals then do us all a favor, and cut loose of them.
     
  5. Re: Heartworms?????

    whatever fblb;)
    Rick1969...the ivomectin i got is the paste for oral use. Is there a liquid form that i could purchase?
     
  6. BoogiemanBlood

    BoogiemanBlood Premium Member Premium Member

    Re: Heartworms?????

    fblb actually has some pretty good advice. If you give heart worm preventative to a dog with heart worms you can kill the fucker.

    So IMO somebody who cant even fucking spell brindle or afford a vet for their dogs should more than likely follow fblb's advice and ship em out. At the rate you're going though it shouldn't matter. They will be dead before too long.
     
  7. Ricky1969

    Ricky1969 Big Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    Yes I get mine in a 50 cc bottle I dont think he knows for sure if his dog has heart worms
     
  8. Re: Heartworms?????

    @BoogermanBlood...must be a "choice member" thing...i guess your dogs dont have that problem seeing how they're all indoor...not that i wouldnt take her to the vet, i dont have any $$ for it got bad credit from student loans...and you're right...my spelling isnt the best.
     
  9. Re: Heartworms?????

    you guys must be some real dogmen..lol...talk like them...lmbo...i look up to you guys (boogermanblood and FBI) lol!!! So sinced you guys are as REAL as they come...How much would one of those underground vets charge for treatment?
     
  10. miakoda

    miakoda GRCH Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????


    "Upping the dose" can kill your dog just as quickly as pumping it full of Immiticide. In fact, it will probably do so faster since ivermectin is NOT a fast-kill method....unless you're referring to your dog itself.

    However, it is a proven slow-kill method (well, Heartguard is as that is what was studied), so I must admit that I am confused that even on the Ivermectin your dog has advanced to late-stage heartworm disease.

    But then again, that's even if it is heartworms. Weight loss, coughing, sneezing (??).........those symptoms can be indicative of a variety of problems, not just heartworm disease.

    Go the vet. A heartworm test takes 5 minutes and usually costs a mere $10-20.

    Allowing the dog to suffer is inexcusable regardless of price.
     
  11. wardogkennels

    wardogkennels Top Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    lets quit kincking someone while their down and give the guy some fucking helpful asvice for real. I am glad everyone on this thread was an expert from the start. Not all of us are as privledged.
     
  12. MCS

    MCS CH Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    As much as you want to cuss at us, Boogie and Miakoda are right treating a dog with preventative that has worms will kill it......hence that is why it is called a prevetative not a treatment.

    Where I get the good stuff cheaper is Candavet. They have 6 mo generic un-flavored with the same active as heartgaurd for 20-30 bucks and no prescription required.

    Go to the vet first to get a test.
     
  13. BOCKennels

    BOCKennels Big Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    You guys don't know what your talking about anyway. Ivermectin, the active ingredient in heartguard, etc, CAN be used as an effective method of ridding an infected dog of heartworms.

    In fact my own VET told me if by simply giving the heartworm meds, the dog did not recoup and recover, they would probably NEVER be "normal" again anyway even spending the money on expensive treatments. Turned out my dog didn't have heartworm as I give ivermectin monthly, but some food for thought.

    Do some research before you open your mouths and just spit out what your vet tells you to rip you off another $30 before they give you the heartguard Rx. YES, if you give a dog with late stage heartworm infection ivermectin it COULD kill it. BUT the quick kill methods can kill the dog just the same, so what makes more sense?

    Like I said, do some research on it. I swear some of you guys just SIT here waiting for someone to come around you can rip a new a-hole to build yourself up.
     
  14. farm curs

    farm curs Big Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    This is true.
    I've had dogs go through both types of treatment and I would never do the fast kill again,way to hard on the dog and me.
    Slow kill takes alot longer and the animal is off duty for a long time but...

    Good luck try working with your vet.
     
  15. Cynthia

    Cynthia Top Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    Actually coughing is a clinical sign of heartworm disease. Sneezing is not. You need a test to rule it out plain and simple.

    The new protocol from the American Heartworm Society is Place the dog on an Ivermectin based heartworm prevention for 3 months. On the 3rd month get the Immiticide inj. Then wait a month then do the 2 injections within 24 hours. They no longer recommend the oral Ivermectin dose a month after the injections. They recommend that the dog stays on heartworm prevention all through the treatment. They recommend this now because there is a gap that neither a heartworm prevention or the Immiticide can not get. Immiticide is not effective for stages less than 4 months old. And Heartworm prevention is not effective for stages over 2 months old. This now allows the stages to mature so the Immiticide can kill it.

    Oscar tested positive at 3yrs old. My BF got him when he was 1 and when he got him he never tested him. BUt he did get his heartworm prevention every month. Well after he tested positive I just continued with his HWP. And He did test negative and is still heartworm negative.

    Bottom line get the dog in to the vet to get tested. There are MANY things that can cause a dog to loose weight, cough, and sneeze. Not just heartworm disease.
     
  16. miakoda

    miakoda GRCH Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????


    Do some research? I did. I went to school and got a degree in the veterinary field. How's that for some "research"?

    And here's another word that starts with the letter "r"...."read".

    I never said giving a dog Ivermectin would kill it if the dog had heartworms. However, this owner/poster spoke of "increasing the dose" and that's just idiotic. Chances are, the dog is already getting overdosed as is if the dog is getting the all-to-often touted .1 cc per pound of body weight. You see...that's actually an overdose already. So in addition to the liver and kidney problems that could arise out of such an increased overdose, there is ALWAYS a risk of a dog dying from a bolus of dead heartworms that break free and clog somewhere in the cardiovascular/pulmonary system. Thus that's where the major risk comes from in heartworm treatment and why one is told to keep their dog calm and sedentary 24/7.

    I won't be rude about it because some people just don't know, although that's not an excuse, and many more can be educated about it all. So kudos to Cynthia for also poking her head in and giving info in a professional manner. ;)
     
  17. miakoda

    miakoda GRCH Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    It is bitter and most dogs don't enjoy having it squirted in their mouths. However, you can put it on a small piece of bread and have the dog eat it.

    Anytime you inject a dog with a needle, there is a small risk of infection. That risk increases if you use dirty needles (i.e. don't use a new, sterile needle for each animal) and if you fail to clean the top of the bottle before each use (wipe a touch of nolvasan cleaner on it).

    It really is much more of a pain to inject the stuff than to give it orally.

    Oh, and if you really want to get technical, that bottle also says it is for swine and cattle use. Ivomec is NOT advertised for use in dogs, thus doing so is at your own risk.
     
  18. miakoda

    miakoda GRCH Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    That's supposed to read ".1 cc per 10 lbs of body weight".
     
  19. rallyracer

    rallyracer CH Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    for one to come and ask advice- and then act all ~billy bad ass~ once they get advice that you just dont want to hear, is plain ignorant.
    as stated- if your financial situation does not warrant it, you should not have animals under your care...plain and simple. crying about student loans and bad credit isnt going to cut it.
    you asked, they told.
    it has ZERO to do with a user's membership status-its common sense ( which aint too common these days)
    if you cant afford a $20 test annually, you should not have dogs.
     
  20. PurePit19

    PurePit19 CH Dog

    Re: Heartworms?????

    The dog could have kennel cough and regular intestinal worms. Many people use ivermectin as a wormer too. Alot of kennels that I run into don't know that ivermectin doesn't kill all worms, with that said, there are various reason why your dog could be losing weight as well as coughing and sneezing. Guessing problem will ultimately cost you more money.JMO
     

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