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Is everyone breeding for the show standard?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by davidfitness83, Jul 21, 2014.

  1. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Dog men breed to a PERFORMANCE standard and NOT a show standard.

    I prefer a dog that has big teeth or big balls and if I can get both then look out LMAOROTF.
  2. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    I like a dog that can compete in any event ..
  3. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    most of the times the best ones are also the best looking ones
  4. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Top Dog

    everyone has their opinion on what it means to look the best. I just wanted to explore if anyone is breeding outside of the look for the show and has heavier type dogs. I really like some of those dogs, I like both types but I always like to see those as well.
  5. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    I know some folks that use Chevy..Camelot.Dagger..187 homicidal maniac stuff for weight pull..as far as hunting goes..I've heard of a few..

    Some folks also use the catch weight dogs..for the hogs also.

    STONEY Pup

    i for one want a athletic built dog i dont want a dog with no neck or a barreled chest or short legs so i would say i want a conformationally sound dog ... you can say you dont care about the looks but i assure you they matter in the long haul.
  7. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Many say otherwise...but I agree. It should never be a goal...but unless there is some beagle in there they should breed true if good solid families...now I am speaking conformity and within a standard..not 1000% game ..producing game..every litter and all that bullyshit.
  8. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    most who diny confermation are Silly people. Ralf Greenwood together with the best top noch dogman of the day, came up wat they belived was the best (working dog) confermation they could come up with for the ADBA standard. the ADBA SHOW standard is not as mutch a show standard but a """"SHOW"""" standard. Ever been to a Hank Greenwood adba confermation Seminar. you be sirprised wat comes up ecsplaining how and why...
  9. Pirbul

    Pirbul CH Dog

    I agree with you Limey, i've been into a seminar done by Noel Carrion, the one done by Hank in the last nationals.

    The standard defines a dog that is balanced in every physical aspect and that will provide him the tools to perform.

    Now, this doesnt mean because a dog "looks good" is gonna be good. That'd be too easy. A dog must have something good "inside" to make him a good dog.

    I rather a poor conformation dog but with "something good" inside, than a perfect conformation show that has nothing. But with both togheter you get a good one.

    And i know there have been dogs over APBT's history that had flaws and were good performers, but there are plenty that had both.

    The person that wrote the ADBA standard is the same that wrote cajun rules.
  10. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    FWIW .Most people dont have a friking cleu wat the ADBA confermation is ore how to read it and what it can meen for your sporting dog.
    Due to there lack of understanding they wave it of as insignificent and think its a prety boy show confermation.
    Is the ADBA confermation perfect for every dog NO. but its the best one to aim for. For the gross of our breed. The individual Famelies and there based bloodlines from those famelies who have diferend stiles and who come from diferend geografic locations and who are slected bij diferend minds around the world ask for a little diferense.

    Thats why The ADBA confermation gives points for diferend body sigmends and a overal judgemend. Our own dogs are a tad diferend bred and selected where posible then the eczackt ADBA confermation. We breed for a longer loin and a straighter back where the ADBA confermation likes a shorter brother loin(loaf of bread shape) and a bit more angulation(little roach back) in the dogs back.. Some time ago there was ""again"" a compleat misunderstanding and lack of nolige when i tried to ecsplain to people on this forum that when everyting els is >equal< the better confermation dog would always win... simpley because you cant change the laws of fisics.
    As mentioned our dogs are a tad diferend bred and selected but we do keep the ADBA standard in mind and as a guid line. as said we like a longer tad smaller loin then the adba confermation.
    its like compearing 2 V8 engines . If we look and compear a Chevy small block to a pontiac engine. And both are prepeard to race the quarter mile ore a road race. and horse power is limited to lets say 500 horse power Then the chevy small block needs to make considereble amound of more rpm to get the same speed. as the longer stroke pontiac engine has more torque at lower rpm. and has its power band in the lower and mid range. Because it has more torque there. Where the small block chevy has a shorter stroke and has its powerband in the mid and upper range!!. therfor needs to make more rpm to get the same results.
    so there are more ways to win a race. YET BOTH ENGINES NEED TO PUT IN A PERFECT SET UP FRAME WITH THE RIGHT GEARING AND THE RIGHT RUBBER TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT PERFORMANSE ON THE GROUND AND WIN... A longer loin and straight back has more leverich and flexabilety working against a uponend on its feet!, and is able to give a longer ore harder wider shake from tail to mouth. where a shorter brother loin has a better digging in leverich on a douwn uponend. as horter muscle fiberd are able to dilver more and faster askt upon strenght..

    A narrower chest makes a dog faster on its feet and more agile but less stable and tent to be trown over more eze (hensh the importense of cat like feet and standing staright on there legs without forward aimed wrisk joints from legt to feet). where a wider chest stand more firm on the ground has a more stable platform, but is les fast and agile.
    A deep long chest and longer back gives more room for the lungs to divelop under neath the spine and side of the chest cavety.. where the chest needs to be V shaped and not Barel chested to be able to suck in vast amounds of air chested ecetera ectera. . So when you have two dogs with the same stile same mouth same amounds of gamenes Then the dog who is able to put his performance on the ground beter because he has a better raceing frame and rubber under him is more likely to win.... If everyting els is equal..
    Now a better mouth and stile in a lesser build dog can even things up and it othen thuse.
    But that is not changing the fact that when you breed a more alround sounder framed build animal that in the long run your bloodline ore famelies of dogs wil have a greater chanse to be victories..
    In the past there have been dogman who judged many dogs on there averich line in there individual qualities. 7 for mouth 7 for stile 7 for confermation 7 for stamina and good solid gameness. nothing realy spectaculair. but those on averich good sound dogs would win there bouts over dog that lookt more spectaculair and who had a 9 for mouth 4 for stile 7 for confermation and a 6 for stamina .
    Everytime when these on averids good sound medium joker looking performing dogs would be victories, people had sutch and such a uponend for them who where claimed to be beter on multyble points in there skills. YET these beter looking skills cuverd up there short comings as wel... Hesnh you see every beginner and ore not as ecsperiensed dogman seek for mouth and why it is talkt about al the time.But the longer people get involved ore are involved they are and the more ecsperiensed they get, the less importend that hard mouth is, as seasen dogman look for a more alround sounder dog. And that shows itself ofthen in better build dogs. These people who came up with the ADBA confermation where no idiots they came from generations of dogman who where fooling around and showed more dogs then any man today. rom a time where showing of a dog was at its worced a mister minor!!. and from a time where big yards was the norm rather then the ecseption..
  11. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Pirbul, those who know""know"you know it..
  12. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Limey I'd love to see the pics of those shorter loin , roach back Hammonds hounds.
  13. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Just copy and paste the url.
  14. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    kp10_zpse2d967a5.jpg 11794_537990552910451_1233956066_n.jpg 116789.jpg 204226.jpg DSCF2572.JPG
    hahaha Bamaman here you go . long loin straight back, long deep chest, straight on there legs, long legs, cat feet, high performance confermation bred animals
  15. STONEY

    STONEY Pup

    good looking dogs limey.
  16. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

  17. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    tracy.jpg King gator.jpg DSCF1607.JPG DSCN1918.JPG IMG-20110507-0007d.jpg wel i cant show you every dog now do i!!. but these are the typs we are aiming for. here are some more dogs just random dogs from the last 14 years.
    Last one is a bitch that came in second at the ADBA nationals in 2011 in the capeble hands of G.hinkle the man behind the Tonka x red baron dogs afther R anderson got out of the game..
  18. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    No you can't limey ..I was saying is because of the camera angles its hard go tell on some..But no worries limey I understand how hard it is to take good pics of these dogs...Anyway like I said they are nice looking hounds.
  19. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Thanks stoney...
  20. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    The dog in the last pic on post 54 look GOOD. At least to me. Like a boxer with long reach. Leverage is a bitch. If that dog/boxer is strong, NIIIIICE

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