So how did the handlers train/keep the man biters?

Oldskool Brent · Aug 12, 2010

I'm curious as to how the handlers dealt with a manbiter, say like Zebo, when they were probably not one of the few people that the dog wouldn't bite. I mean they get the call to handle the dog and have to go up there and work with a dog that wants to bite the hell out of them every day for weeks on end.

Also, what good dogs were HA, I can't remember them all. I imagine the dogs had to be pretty damned good for people to put up with that shit though, I couldn't even imagine what a pain in the ass that must be, lol.

ReleaseTheHounds · Aug 12, 2010

Historically, I would think if he had the right stuff even a man biter would be more focused on the hunt than on his handler. Some drives and urges can override other less strong ones.

Mr. Brownstone · Aug 12, 2010

Adivina said: ↑

Historically, I would think if he had the right stuff even a man biter would be more focused on the hunt than on his handler. Some drives and urges can override other less strong ones.
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not to fuck up this thread.. but would that mean every time you go to the dogs chain or kennel you might wanna bring a rabbit with you. i know i would put the fucker down real fast. i know that was not the question though so back on topic.

Oldskool Brent · Aug 12, 2010

A rabbit and a set of welding gloves. :cool:

I really can't see the guys leading the dogs around with a pole all day, and then they still had to be in the pit with it. Had to be one weird adrenaline filled situation from start to finish.

Mr. Brownstone · Aug 12, 2010

Oldskool Brent said: ↑

A rabbit and a set of welding gloves. :cool:

I really can't see the guys leading the dogs around with a pole all day, and then they still had to be in the pit with it. Had to be one weird adrenaline filled situation from start to finish.
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yes i agree.. i mean just a dog aggressive dog to most common people sends em into a stupid frenzy, even myself once upon a time. i think it would take me twice as long to be confident around a HA dog though?

MISSAPBT · Aug 12, 2010

Correct me if im wrong but wasnt Bullyson, Tonka, Tombstone manbitters?

PurePit19 · Aug 12, 2010

I'm sure these dogs weren't man attackers like some may think, I'm sure they were aggressive at times, but I doubt if they got lose they go right after the first person they see. Zebo was in many different hands during his time, so he couldn't have been all that bad. No one would be betting on them dogs back in the day if they were at high risk of losing on a foul. JMO

DEATH-GRIP · Aug 12, 2010

yeah usually so focus on what is in front of them , i had a bitch likek that ..NEVER BRED HER ..couldnt if i tryed !!! but she was a fuckin nut case !! man biter , chain biter , tear up everything around her hyper jumping snatch up everything & anyone attacked lawn mower or anything that made noise !!! ANYTHING , but she loved the kids ???? sooo we kept her.

AGame · Aug 12, 2010

DEATH-GRIP said: ↑

yeah usually so focus on what is in front of them , i had a bitch likek that ..NEVER BRED HER ..couldnt if i tryed !!! but she was a fuckin nut case !! man biter , chain biter , tear up everything around her hyper jumping snatch up everything & anyone attacked lawn mower or anything that made noise !!! ANYTHING , but she loved the kids ???? sooo we kept her.
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i have one something like that now

themainman · Aug 12, 2010

I HAVE HAD A FEW DOGS THAT WERE VERY EXCITED AND NIPPED BUT AS FOR THOSE DOG IN THE PAST THEY JUST PROBABLY WANTED BE BE LET LOOSE NOT LIKE HE CAN SPEAK HIS MIND AND SAY HE BUD COULD YOU GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME COTTON'S BULLET VINNY'S CH. CHINAMAN
ZEBO GR.CH YELLOW IF THE ANIMAL IS A LEVEL 10 DOG HE NEED A LEVEL 10 OWNER CUASE IF YOU SCARED OF THE DOG AND NOT UP TO HIS STANDARDS AS FAR AS RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER HE MIGHT TRY IT BUT IF YOU CAN CONTAIN THAT INNER RAGE BUT THAT MIGHT BE ONLY THAT ONE PERSON WOULD NOT BE THE TYPE OF DOG YOU WOULD SELL TO SOMEONE WHO IS WEARY BECAUSE THE DOG MIGHT BECOME IT ASWELL
AND THAT WHY SOME OF THESE ANIMALS SHOULD STAY WITH A SERIOUS DOG VETERAN BECAUSE YOU COULD DEFINATLY GET HURT NOT SAYING A QUARTER OF GOD BRED DOG ARE MAN BITTERS BUT DIVERSITY HAS IT TRICKS AND WERE NOT BRED LIKE THEM FOUR LEGGERS THERE TUFFER THAN WE KNOW PHISICALY AND NEVER LOOK INTO A GAME BRED DOGS EYE'S IF YOU DONT KNO EM' OR INTAGINIZE THE PUP THEN SAY HE'S A MAN KILLER JUST BAD CASE OF DISPOSITION WHEN BOUGHT BY A NEW OWNER ANXITY STRESS PLAYS A ROLE IN ALL THIS SOCILAZATION
WITH PROPER TRAINING LOVE AND EXERSIZE MAKE FOR A TRIED HAPPY POOCH TOO MUCH TIME ON THE CHAIN NO SOCIALZATION AT ALL CAN CREATE ANIMALISTIC TEMPERS AND I DONT THINK YOU COULD PET A WILD WOLF OR COYOTE OR WILD DOG PERIOD AND NOT GET ATTACKED UNLESS YOU SOCIALIZE AND BEGIN TO DEMESTOCATE THE ANIMALS FIRST OTHER THAN THAT IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE DOG PUT HIM TO SLEEP BECAUSE IT ONLY GONNA GET WORSE AND STAY THE HELL OUT THE KITCHEN FOR YOU GET BURRRNNNNED!!!!!!! :dogkiss:

Yardboy · Aug 12, 2010

PurePit19 said: ↑

I'm sure these dogs weren't man attackers like some may think, I'm sure they were aggressive at times, but I doubt if they got lose they go right after the first person they see. Zebo was in many different hands during his time, so he couldn't have been all that bad. No one would be betting on them dogs back in the day if they were at high risk of losing on a foul. JMO
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Tell that to Adams.........or his son.

PurePit19 · Aug 12, 2010

How many years did Adams keep Zebo, how many hands did Zebo go threw before Adams? He must have thought the dog was manageable in order to purchase Zebo. All kids will annoy a dog at some point, so I will naturally assume Zebo didn't maul his kid the very first day they met, which means Adams took the risk of having his kid around Zebo. Anything that happens to a person after they purchase a dog that has bit a person, is strictly the owners fault for not putting the dog down. If I had Zebo, no matter what title, he growls at my kids and he goes straight to god. Do not pass go and do not collect your $200... no dog is more valuable than the safety of a child, no dog! So if Adams took that gamble, then it's all on him at the expense of his kids safety. JMO

venom · Aug 12, 2010

PurePit19 said: ↑

How many years did Adams keep Zebo, how many hands did Zebo go threw before Adams? He must have thought the dog was manageable in order to purchase Zebo. All kids will annoy a dog at some point, so I will naturally assume Zebo didn't maul his kid the very first day they met, which means Adams took the risk of having his kid around Zebo. Anything that happens to a person after they purchase a dog that has bit a person, is strictly the owners fault for not putting the dog down. If I had Zebo, no matter what title, he growls at my kids and he goes straight to god. Do not pass go and do not collect your $200... no dog is more valuable than the safety of a child, no dog! So if Adams took that gamble, then it's all on him at the expense of his kids safety. JMO
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Just because its all on him doesnt negate the fact that he's a man eater.

magnoilaotis · Aug 12, 2010

Read the mountain man thread in the history section if you don't think zebo was an out and out maneater.

Naustroms · Aug 12, 2010

PP Zebo was that bad.

PurePit19 · Aug 12, 2010

No one in their right mind would buy a dog that was that crazy from jump street. As a responsible adult, who owned a dog who is said to be aggressive enough to bite would not allow their kid around a dog like that. With that said, if his child was around Zebo then he couldn't have been that bad before Adams bought him. At the end of the day I never saw or pet Zebo, so this is all speculation and opinion. If zebo was in fact a true man-eater, then Adams was a idiot for buying him. And a true man-eater in my opinion, will not allow anyone to tend to his wounds either, especially after a match. Zebo lived for a while and he went threw many different hands, that wouldn't happen if he was a crazy man-eater like some folks are stating. That's just my opinion.

Naustroms · Aug 12, 2010

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“The very first time I saw Zebo, he bit me” Mr. Hughes began. “Me and William Cable had come to Lonzo’s house to look at his dogs. Lonzo had his dogs tied along a narrow path, and if you got one step the wrong way, they could reach you. I started walking along the path behind Lonzo towards the dogs and stopped and asked him if any of the dogs could get to us. “No, and they wouldn’t bite you no how” he answered, and we kept walking. We went a few steps further and a black dog hit the end of his chain and grabbed me by the arm. I swung my fist and punched him in the jaw, knocking him off, and that was the very first time I laid eyes on Zebo.
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I was eating breakfast the next morning and looked out the window to see Dave Adams’ car pull into the yard, he’d come for Zebo. He wanted to get Zebo off the chain himself, a few moments later I saw him running away from Zebo’s spot. Zebo had almost bit him and ran him off. I had to load Zebo in their car myself. They hadn’t brought a box or crate with them, and when they left Zebo was riding in the front seat between them, looking out the window. I was wondering if by the time they got to Ohio either of them would have any face left!”
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Zebo would bite, he’d bite you or he’d bite a stranger. Not every time mind you, there’d be times he was just as friendly as a puppy. But if you walked up to him and his eyes got real wide and round, the only way to keep from getting bit was to get the hell away from him fast! When he bit, he didn’t just chomp and turn the hold loose. He’d work it like he was on a dog, hold and shake.
One time some big ol’ boy from South Carolina was here to look at the dogs with some friends. I guess he weighed about two hundred and fifty pounds; big, all muscle, you know? We started to look at the Bulldogs, and he went right towards Zebo. Back then we had him chained out there by the old apple tree. I called after him, “Don’t touch that dog, he’ll bite you!” He answered, “I train dogs for a living, and there aint a dog in the world that I can’t pet.” And I told him; well, you can’t pet THAT one. He looked at Zebo and said “this little dog is friendly, look at the way his tail’s a waggin’!” I said; he’s just anticipatin’ how good he’s gonna enjoy biting you!
Me and the other fellers walked up the hill towards the other dogs, and we didn’t get but about ten feet before I heard that boy scream. He was holding his arm up and there was Zebo hanging from it, shaking. I had to get a breaking stick to get him off, I don’t believe there was any way that boy, big as he was, could’ve got Zebo off and eventually Zebo would have gotten him down.”
We all laugh and Mrs. Hughes talks about Zebo. “Zebo was our house dog, that was before we had any children, and he used to ride with us in the car. I’d put him in the back seat, but he’d never stay there. He’d jump into the front seat and sit in my lap, looking out the window and popping his jaws, you know how they do that when their excited or nervous? He’d scare me sometimes doing that, his head a few inches from my face and those jaws just popping and quivering. It would get so I couldn’t stand it anymore, and would just throw him back in the back seat. But he’d just jump right back up between us and climb into my lap again.
One day we were on our way somewhere and I was throwing him back, and he was jumping back into my lap, over and over again. Lester got so mad at the two of us fightin’ so, he hit the brakes, turned around and went back home. He let us BOTH out of the car and drove away!”
“I don’t believe you could have reached out with your hand and touched me on the shoulder before Zebo’d have your finger,” Mr. Hughes goes on, “I was walking him in the parking lot before the fight in Alabama and Junior Bush came up to shake hands with William Cable. When their hands met, Zebo had both of them by the hand, didn’t put much pressure, just grabbed their hands quick.” Mr. Hughes turns to his wife, “What match was it I brought Zebo home and put him up in the room in the barn, and he tore everything up and ate the telephone?”
Mrs. Hughes thinks about it, and answers; “I don’t remember, but I do remember the time you brought him back from a match with his head swollen up like a melon and his eyes swollen about shut. We had a little black cat at the time, and it was somewhere ion the house when Lester carried Zebo in. We didn’t think Zebo could see at all, but as soon as Lester sat him down, he was off!”
“Him tearin’ after that cat, and me after him, tryin’ to catch him before he caught the cat!” Mr. Hughes adds. “Another time a bunch of us were driving back from a match with Zebo. Everyone but the driver fell asleep, and we’d left Zebo loose, figuring he was hurt so bad he’d just lay there and rest. When we woke up, Zebo had chewed his harness and ate part of it. And chewed my belt right off me while I was asleep and ate part of it. It tickled William Cable to death; he thought it was really funny till he looked around for his sweater to put on. He had one of those expensive sweaters with the leather patches on the elbows. Zebo had ate every bit of the leather off, and ate the collar off it too. William wasn’t laughing anymore after he found his sweater!
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Naustroms · Aug 12, 2010

[FONT=&quot]While I was watching and studying BullySon, he was watching and studying me as well. One day while cleaning his quarters and run, I was raking all his stools from behind the garage, dumping them into a waste can. Between the back of the garage and the six foot fence that separated my property from the alley was a space about three feet wide. This was where BullySon would go empty. Daily, since bringing him home, I performed this task, keeping this area as clean as possible. On that day for some reason known only to BullySon something clicked in his head and he charged me, pinning me with my back against the fence in the small space between the garage and the back alley fence. BullySon was screaming and snapping at me, in a frenzy to reach me. I was pressed as flat against the fence as I could get with only six inches separating me from an extremely pissed off dog. If I tried to bend my knees, he would bite my legs and I didn't have room or dare turn my back. For four hours BullySon kept me pinned in that small space, finally, around four o'clock in the afternoon, my little girl, Pamela, arrived home from school. I shouted for her, told her not to come into the Yard, but to call BullySon. She did and when he heard her voice he immediately ran to her like a pup, giving me time to Turn and jump the fence. All of my efforts to get near BullySon so far had been to no avail. [/FONT]

-Bobby Hall

Naustroms · Aug 12, 2010

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Just as BullySon made another lunge for me, the door came down leaving the dog outside the garage. I had about two foot of rope inside the garage with me, leaving it on the floor, I made my way through the side door of the garage. The back door to the house was directly across the breezeway from the garage. Palumbo was now standing there and I asked him if he would go inside the garage and pull the rope under the door. I would go outside and using myself as a lure, unwind BullySon from under the Cadillac for by now he had been all around and under it. All the time I was trying to get the crazy dog to unwind he was trying to eat me up. I kept hollering to Palumbo, "Take up the slack, take up the slack." Finally we managed to get the dog to within three feet of the garage door. I went back through the back gate into 1 the garage. Palumbo ran back into the house. Pulling the rope through I the back door of the garage I pulled the door to, leaving a crack so I I could watch the dog. I signaled Palumbo to raise the garage door, he did, and in charged BullySon. Palumbo closed the electric door once I more. Now we had BullySon in the garage. Holding the door shut on the rope, I slowly pulled it through until I was able to get enough rope to reach the back door of the house. I looked at Palumbo. "Are you ready?" I asked. We both laughed. Never had we expected such a simple thing as picking up a dog to turn into a three ring circus. I dashed across the breezeway to the back door of the house with BullySon close on my heels. When I released the garage door, BullySon charged through. I now had BullySon in the backyard I where I wanted him. I pulled the rope into the house untying it from the chain. The chain would stay attached and since there was nothing in the Yard the dog might become entangled in, I didn't worry much about that. I felt after the dog calmed down I could always remove the chain. For a month BullySon ran loose in that backyard and for a month he wore a chain, and for a month I couldn't even go inside the yard.

-Bobby Hall

PurePit19 · Aug 12, 2010

You can't ride in a car with a real man eater. As far as the post just pasted, all his bites were when zebo was on a chain. So I guess we gotta agree to disagree. Ain't no bunch of guys riding in a truck for hours with a real man eater either. And that happened with Zebo many times. Yea he's bit folks, but i had a American bulldog that would attempt to kill every living thing that didn't live with us. Every man, woman and child and animals was a target every single second of every day until we put her down. This is my definition of a man eater. She would attack a person with the intent on killing them, and there were no if's ands or buts about it. She was put down after she chased a kid trying to kill him, if I didn't catch her when the kid jumped a fence, he would've been killed. This is my version of a true man eater. Not Zebo in my opinion, but I still would've shot him though. JMO

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