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steroids?!?

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by gypsyboy, May 22, 2012.

  1. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    I don't know how many times I've seen some ol' boy scratch his head in a contest and say...."I just don't get it. He was better than this right off the chain."

    It seems to me that we have two factors that some may blame on steroids and others may blame on the non use of them. One....The old adage applies that the worst thing you can do in conditioning a dog is "Condition the wrong dog." That mistake can be blamed on neither...use or non use of juice.

    Two.....I find that often the cause of that aforementioned head scratching is based on the fact that someone likes a dog well enough right off the chain to put his hard earned money on it. Then, having liked the dog so much "as is", instead of ENHANCING what he has, turns around and begins over modifying it. So, sometimes these mistakes are the reason for lack of performance, yet the use or non use of juice gets blamed.

    To me, it isn't as much whether it's used or not, as it is the why, when, how much, and when to stop factors involved. Expert usage of anything is better than jr. high school lab experimentation on a dog you already like.

    If you're not sure about the above, I think it would be much easier an avenue for many, to learn the natural and ALTERNATIVE methods to excellent recovery, hard work and conditioning, comparable to 'roids. They just take a little more tedium and time. But that tedium and time is worth it for anyone who intends to use steroids in the face of not knowing the EXACTNESS of the why, when, how much and when to stop aspects of their usage.

    Some folks can screw up and not dedicate themselves to excellence either way. Use or non use. So either way, it's on said conditioner to excel through learning and dedication. The key word whether using or not using, is PROPER procedure.
     
  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Well said. The right dog makes all the difference in the world. And doing all the right things with the wrong dog will pretty much end up no where, and fast.

    Steroids, like carpet mills, like slat mills, like feed plans, have to be done the right way, at the right time, for the right lengths in order for them to be successful. Use any one of these things the wrong way and things will go wrong, even on the right dog. Believe it or not, the right dog can fix a lot of things, but even the best dog can't overcome constant ignorance.

    And steroids, like a good keep, or good food or a good mouth, can give a front running cur enough to pull off a win. And a win is a win. Whatever proves to be the difference between winning and losing is invaluable. S
     
  3. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    First off you should already KNOW your dogs base from his development during his early stages in life as thats how you will truly know what you are working with.

    Second steroids WONT make a mediocre dog into a Super star LMAO. Its like giving Pee Wee Herman Steroids and saying now he can whip Jose Aldo LMAOROTF.

    Steroids gives one an EDGE to what he already HAS.
     
  4. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Well said posts Slim and TDK.
     
  5. shotgun wg

    shotgun wg Big Dog

    I give credit to those who came about their ability thru natural ability and effort. Giving that edge scues the record to an ability higher than natural capability.


    Shotgun
    Arkansas
     
  6. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    shotgun have you seen any dogs because it's only helping recovery ? to many people think it will give an edge and natural or roids will not make a dog be any gamer . you have to have a dog in the first place to know catch dogs don't count .
     
  7. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    ...hat's off to tdk...well put...............ya can/did..see some great one,,,natural..then 2 time out with juice still look same,,,but did he feel better.2-time..???..unfortunealy he can't tell ya how he feel during 1+2 race...one thing for sure ..can be a real mine-feild,,these things...........?
     
  8. NatureBoy

    NatureBoy Big Dog

    IMO you should already have a good idea of what your dog is about before you decide to try aas. Obviously it will not make your animal gamer but if things work out you won't have to prove how game your animal is.. Many people forget that ending a keep with aas is very different then ending a keep naturally. I won't get into details but lets just say hydration is a major factor!! Also feed can play a major roll in how one performs on aas. For those who know, know what I'm talking about.. Carbs, fats and proteins will change towards the end of a keep especially when involving PEDs.
    When one thinks his animal performs better off the chain really need to give their head a shake and do the math.. The amount of work ( if not over worked) could only lead to a better conditioned animal. So when one does not end their keep right, it throws all 6-8 weeks of work out the window. Sometimes over thinking the basics leads to faulter and then one looks for every excuse as to why they lost or why their hound did not perform up to par.
     
  9. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    i don't think that right .
     
  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    here is no rule that says a dog has to display gameness in a win. The over whelming majority of the dogs that win do not show deep gameness. The great finishers did not make deep game displays. They went in rolled thru what was across from them and hit the showers. The great Molly Bee won 8 and did not have anything scratch back to her, so as far as her matches go, who knows if she would have ever made a scratch of her own.

    There is a lot of things a dog needs to do prior to the show, a lot of things he needs to prove to get to the show but on show night it is all about winning. It is a team effort and you and your partner do any and everything (short of cheating) to get in and get out as quickly as possible, hopefully with that W. S
     
  11. shotgun wg

    shotgun wg Big Dog

    Yes I have seen dogs. Not to the extent of some here . I have not seen a dog on roids. I have seen several people. I have seen people work for years developed very lil mass and minimal strength increase. Then get on roids and 6 months later have put on 20 or 30 pounds of muscle with strength gains. Now if the roids didn't make this possible why were they not doing this prior. That to me is altering natural ability. By the way I am interested in these dogs bred old school for the same reason as most here. This is why I read far more than I post. I only post when I feel it is about opinion. I do have one and am not ignorant on the subject of dogs. So if I have catch dogs or fastline dogs makes no difference. The principle remains the same.


    Shotgun
    Arkansas
     
  12. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    shotgun if you know anything about the dogs the last thing they would want to do is gain more weight . Roids will help you to recover and you are the 1 that lifts more weight not the roids they just have you in recovery . you know you feel good and that will let you lift more weight the next day and not be hurt and sore. if you don't feel good your not going to want to lift more . and Nature the ending of a keep is not different on roids it's the same you just stop doing them if you know how to us them .
     
  13. NatureBoy

    NatureBoy Big Dog

    Why would you stop using before the keep ends??? And why would you want to pack on more muscle??? So your body can use up more o2.. And aas do not make you stronger???
    There is no use debating with you.. Everyone has their own theory and what works for one may not work for another!
     
  14. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Steroids are not used to find out what you have or the base. Steroids are to gain an advantage on show night. Grading a dog as a brood quality is done long before steroids are introduced. The percentages of people competing with steroids are low, and out of those low numbers I have never heard of anyone using them to get a dog to the show, but after he has proven he can get to the show.

    One it takes a lot of knowledge, and two it takes a lot of money. Usually those two do not go hand in hand.

    For the few that are using aas, it is being used on dogs who have already proven to be show worthy, and brood worthy as well. So steroids would not alter the base or give a false report of a dog's worthiness.

    Steroids are nothing more than a competitive edge when used correctly. The problem with using steroids is that the number of people that actually use them is low, and the people that actually know how to use them are even lower. The non-users make a bigger deal about it than is really called for, as the odds of running into a 'roid filled dog on show night is slim and the odds of it being done right are much lower.






     
  15. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    I like to ad to my origenal post that when using roids as a aid to get tru a keep as a recuver aid, Is that the steroids also help your dog afther the hunt recuvering from sever trauma!!. and when dealing with a kidney problem(ofthen the case afther a hunting party) your dog wil not go douwn the hill that fast as the steroids mentiond wil hold on to protien. preventing your dog to loose weight and muscle/flesh %.Therfor his ore her sirviving chanses go way up as deteriation is slowed douwn.
     
  16. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Very true Limey. Great post. Using steroids in a manner in which they were intended is always a plus. The very best time it out as to where they are due back on cycle or really close at show time. This would then use the steroids to help in the recovery after the trauma from the show. As they were intended.

    Most would use them for the performance side and forget their original intent.

    My first experiences with steroids in the dogs was with after care.

    Good post Limey. S
     
  17. Flipside

    Flipside CH Dog



    Exactly why you don't stop the use of AAS at the end of the keep, the "hunt day" is just the last workday of the keep IMO. Cycle continues if we come out with a win.
     
  18. NatureBoy

    NatureBoy Big Dog

    Don't forget guys these statements are geared towards which ester you have choosen.. Me personally would see no need to give another shot after the show with a long ester. That long ester remains strong in the system for 3 weeks and some longer. So again depending on your choice of compound would determine weather or not I would use it to aid in recovery after a show.
    Some compounds, one that I really like increase white blood cells.. With that increase of white blood cells comes many positives but one draw back is that with the increase of white blood cells a anxiety levels increase quickly which for some can be a problem. So to me understanding esters would determine the use of aas after the show.
     
  19. lmao. thread is hilarious. the amount of people clueless on steriods what the compounds do to you are hilarious. and lmao at steriods being cheated. thats bs. thats like saying your cheating before you have a dog with top genetics competeing in a race that doesnt even have to train to win vs a dog with average genetics with proper training.

    iv never used steriods on dogs but have used it with myself as i am a bodybuilder. i blast and cruise. i dont come off so i know a lot about them and how they work.

    would be interested in seeing how a a racehound does on tren. but i dont compete in the [] so i have no interest in ever injecting my dog with AAS.
     
  20. but if one were to use tren, i would take the dog off it 12 weeks out and add another compound in. because tren makes u lose energy quick when doing cardio activities. makes it ve hard to do. but can see it being used for a short period. then adding in another compound. maybe EQ
     

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