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steroids?!?

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by gypsyboy, May 22, 2012.

  1. however, no amount of roids will save a cur dog against a true game dog.


    the roids will just make the dog stronger. and get the results faster. thats really about it.
     
  2. barlow1

    barlow1 Pup

    thats true
     
  3. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    ..they don't really do any-thing....some just think they do.....y/n.................???????????????????
     
  4. Bmf_bt

    Bmf_bt Big Dog

    Save a cur dog? Barnstorming curs win everyday, they need no saving. Juicing up a naturally strong and high-ability cur dog can get you a win into a true game dog.

    Just take things for what they are. PED are drugs that enhance PHYSICAL performance.
     
  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Simply not true. Tons of front running curs have beaten truly game dogs. Steroids, when used right, will physically enhance a dog, cur or not, and if that front running cur does enough damage being game is nothing more than an after thought.

    Wanting to scratch and being able to scratch can be many miles apart.

    In actuality, the steroids when used correctly can be the difference between a cur winning and a game dog losing, the sheer physicality of the gathering. S





     
  6. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    You choose to do steroids. Your lifting partner chooses not to do steroids. In time, no matter how much he tries, or how much he wants to (being game) he can't lift what you lift. So his heart and desire will not add up to your enhanced physical ability. S


     
  7. Flipside

    Flipside CH Dog


    Bodybuilding is nothing close to racing dogs. Therefore the AAS of choice is different!
     
  8. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    But it may come close....brains come from somewhere lol.
     
  9. Kelticwarrior

    Kelticwarrior Top Dog

    When you're conditioning a dog it would be best to keep a small supply of certain steroids handy in case of an emergency. By what I mean by an emergency is if in the case the dog becomes injured, overworked or hurt during the keep for some reason or other, the steroids used as an aid to recover/repair the dog. Even if you have no intention of using a steroid to assist in the recovery of a hurt dog it is best to have some handy just in case. Usually when the dog is hooked up and there's a forfeit and wager down you don't want to loose the forfeit or mess your opponent around by forfeiting or delaying the contest due to a down or injured dog hence the use of a steroid to help or aid in the recovery of the dog. I don't wish to advocate the use of steroids in conditioning as just a matter of course for using steroids because I think that if a conditioner pre-meditates the use there of to enhance performance and not as an emergency drug that would be cheating I think. Sometimes the conditioner would be forced to use a steroid to be able to bring the dog in right at the predetermined date and time of a contest if the dog some how became injured during the keep. There's a lot of pressure on the conditioner to be right on the night of the contest, you don't want to loose face or mess your opponent around. Steroids do however have a detrimental effect or side effects on a dog that are not good for the dog so if you can avoid using them even the better, a Bulldog is physiologically very sensitive to anything that gets put into him so the conditioner has to exercise extreme caution when deciding to inject substances into the dog, you got to weigh the pro and the cons for doing it because it can destroy a dog for further use as a stud or brood dog if the conditioner is not very conservative with the stuff.
     
  10. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Yep thats true. it isend black ad white. If a tru gamedog is douwn on shape and stamina. and the roughf cur isend the game dog can and plenty enoughf of them will loose. there are lots of aczamples in history where the roughf cur won.. The game dog could simply put not enoughf pressure on that cur to win, And as long as these curs are in there comferd zone they wil go on for hours..
     
  11. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    ..i'm sure they have changed since the 80's etc/...but some still are'nt worth the trouble...some are a must when comeing to recovery/etc/etc....but as a performance enhancer.....??????????are they worth the trouble ...the few i'd seen moons ago...no major diff;..and where being used by experenced people...??????????????
     
  12. i find this hard to believe slim. with all do respect. i dont believe this at all.

    bad analogy lol. my lifting partner is all natural and lifts more than me. excpet i look so much better htan him and have more mass than him because of AAS.

    with AAS, i can train in hte 12-15 rep range and grow.


    i train light because iv had shoulder injuries and back injuries in hte past(slap tear and herniated disc)

    so my lifting partner is actually stronger than me. except im bigger because of roids... there are actually lots of strong guys that have little muscle mass. because strength doesnt equal mass. even though being stronger helps u put on muscle easier... its just exactly equal.



    and you guys are acting like roids make you super strong. especially in dogs.
    The roids that make you super strong such as tren or an oral increase BP, HR, and muscle pumps/cramping. which CAN negativetly affect the dog...


    the steroids that i can see benefiting the hound doesnt create massive strength gians..

    u guys are acting like roids turn the dog into a wild lion. roids arent that powerful. especialyl with dogs where its hard ot build mouth strength in triaining progrmas. i can see certain roids being useful for cardio purposes... making the dog last longer in the pit. or hgh being used to make the dogs joints stronger and making him recover from a fight so much easier..
     
  13. agreed my friend. i was going to post more about this, but i believe if u read one of my posts above abou this (such as tren being used when the hound is racing) you can see what i mean..

    someone mentioned winstrol earlier, this is a bad choice for dogs even though bodybuilders iwll use this on there bodybuilding compeetion.. i say this because winny makes ur joints ache! also other roids that are used like tren, increase ur BP and heart rate which is bad for endurance atheletes such as pitdogs.


    but i feel with my knowledge on bodybuilding, i know what drugs are good for race hounds... because i kn ow which drugs give me crazy unbearable pumps(such as anavar... bad) or make me lethargic... (superdrol) or fk with my blood pressure and heart rate(tren)
     
  14. I would think EQ would be a better hormone for pitdogs due to the increased RBC count and increased endurance. but as a bodybuilder im not a fan of EQ.

    TREN
    MASTERON
    Low test
    an oral
    hgh

    this is my stack as a bodybuilder when competing... but just thinking about cardio on tren makes my heart race lol. i believe eq would be great for [ ] dogs. low in side effects and increases endurance imo. when i ran it i noticed i would have better cardio...



    EQ
    HGH
    test

    would be a nice stack for dog. maybe halotesting during the keep and give it a little break between the show but keep hgh eq test in show date!)







    do you guys know how you build strength? progressive overload... how do you progressively overload a dogs MOUTH strength? its hard to do thus even with roids, u cant turn a dog into a lion... its hard to build mouth strength... the roids will help with the dog lasting longer and building other strength faster. but mouth strength etc. its overblown with roids imo
     
  15. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    ...the only thing that will suffer from the use of roids,,is the quality of these dogs...when people start breeding to pumped up cur/muck...???????????????
     
  16. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Good point blue!
     
  17. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    ..how many could/did slip threw to the breeding cause of the use chemicals.....something to think about all-right......ain't no chemical or tablet for game......
     
  18. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    What I meant is that he can't lift what you lift, meaning with AAS you can lift today and tomorrow and the next day, heavier and longer each day with excellent recovery. Where as the non-steroid user will need recovery time.


    As far as curs beating game dogs, it has been a part of the game since the beginning. Forget steroids, hard mouth curs have won over game dogs since people have been doing dogs. Winning and gameness are two entirely different things. Both can be accomplished and proven without the other being present. Plenty of game dogs do not win and plenty of curs do win.

    If a hard mouth cur on steroids can dish out more than another can physically take he will win. Wanting to scratch and being physically able to scratch are two entirely different things as well. S




     
  19. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    ..the use in recovery is seen as a different thing.....i never taught they made much difference...in conditioning of a "GOOD DOG"
     
  20. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    When used correctly there is a ton of difference. If there was not that much difference it would not be any reason to debate. They want turn a good dog into a great dog but can allow a good dog to do great things. S
     

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