Chasing Dead Dogs

You can easily tell the green ones from the ones that have been around a while (or had a mentor).

 

lol Ive argued with better dogman then you i'm sure lol!!!

 

bump. lets get some quality discussions going.

 

great original post Naustroms. Only thing i can say is its best to know the people ur gettin ur dogs from. If they are breeding with a purpose then you dont have to worry about how close up the famous dogs in the peds are bc you know they are breeding good dogs. If the dogs arent looked at then i might want gr ch such n such as close a possible. I have no clue why people breed supertight off one dog without any outs so i cant even speak on that

 

Good post do, i agree with most. I think when u see peds tight on one dog like that its usually to pedal but sometimes maybe that dog was just the complete package..but eventually u have to cross

 

Leave the breeding to the breeders.

It takes two to Tango, and the majority of people that breed are mostly interested in making a quick buck selling offspring just cause of PED.

ONE has to know the dogs strong traits as well as it's shortcomings. When breeding you have to consider, not only are you doubling up on the good traits but the BAD as well.
Linebreeding, inbreeding and outcrossing!!!

 

Ok first off breeding dogs ain't rocket science. Its a crap shoot! you can breed two dogs one time and get great dogs un beatable dogs. The next time you stick them you may only get fair dogs. This is a fact I have done this myself. it is way too mind boggling to understand why. that is why you should allways Know what your dogs are down from and breed only good ones. now that said I have allways said I have no problem breeding a cold dog if I am 100% sure of his ped and I have had good results with them. the best thing I can tell yall is breed the dogs you know that you like. and cull the bad keep the good and allways be honest with your self. like I said its a crap shoot.There is no real Best way to do it that is why a dog makes his ped.

 

if you breed two untested dogs together they can either produce or not. now it is up to you to determine if they have produced to your standards. if they have there is no need to check them. if the offspring of the untested dogs are being looked at then the parents do not need to be as long as they are producing quality dogs. now can this be done to start a family of dogs no, but if you have a dog that comes down from a fimilly of proven bulldogs then that dog has the same chance of being just a goo a producer as gr ch billy bad ass. most of the greates producers in history were not even champions or grand champions. such as maverick, skull, bolio, dibo, dime, crenshaws snow, six bits, amd p;emty more. if you have access to the ed crenshaw interview you will hear him say that to many people today are obsessed with breeding champion to champion or gr ch to gr ch instead of looking for a solid dog based on a solid line of producers. if you look at mayday he may have been a gr ch, but he comes down from dogs that procuced there balls off his pedigree is filled with rom and por.

 

he was directly off of a gr ch and from a yard of a dogman with lots of winners
also just bc a dog isnt a ch doesnt mean he cant perform, it simply means he didnt
if i have an extraordinary dog do i want to risk losing him? up to the dogman...

 

how many times have you seen a dog with no mouth throw dogs with mouth, if seen it more than a few. ive also bred the best to the best and wind up w/a yard of curs. i do know what you mean let the breeders breed. but know who is selling them to you. ive been screwed more than once by breeders.. just know people dont sell props, they will sell you somthing they dont want. i look for rom and por dogs....

 

Great post. I Agree a 150%

 

i belive if a dog is gonna produce its gonna produce but if it aint getting looked at its like "if a tree falls in the woods an no one is there to hear it dose it really fall" its like if its not getting looked at the pups are more likly not gonna get sold to dogmen so youll never really know what the dog produced anyway cuz such a small percentage of the dogs will be doing anything so in short if the dog aint gettin tested it dosent matter what it produces cuz they probobly wont get tested either like he said its a crap shoot ive seen dogs with great mouths be littermates to bird bitting curs

 

then turn around the bird biter could have all the talent, the one with the crunch have no talent..f**k it repeat the breeding, a great man told me once that its 1-100 thats your super star all the ones between wiil be decent.also dont be suprised we they quit be suprised when they dont...

 

i could not agree with you more.. people need to understand breeding tight is good for preservation but we have to let the dogs evolve. IMO the dog makes the ped and if the dog is that good work with that and go from there.

 

always look to the future.start off with good stock then move forward.

 

i breed the dog not the papers!!!

 

"you have to look forward, you can't look backwards" that about sums it up.

 

so you wouldnt like to have some bolio sticks in the fridge????

 

question... do u think bolio is better than buck?