Cloning...

@abd456 yep its called inbreeding father to daughter etc.

 

its true with weed..... so why it wouldnt it be with mammals?

on the flipside, i thought we havent successfully cloned yet?? wasnt the thing they cloned only alive for like 10 minutes before dying???

 

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i think for the most part people might like to look at cloning because the possibility is there to keep or get back something great that they had or someone else had. as has already been mentioned genetically they would be the same, but most assurably, enviroment will factor in some differances, you are not going to put your new honeybunch through exactly the same day, day out experiances the old honeybunch had so mentality will be differant, however the possibility of producing good ones may be there. then you may also have to think about cloning everything she was bred to also?
then we have the BREEDING TO IMPROVE...... now youve just cloned youve moved backwards, can you impact on these better than the old dogmen of the past? Many strains have moved forward over the years/many have depleted, i personally think cloning for me would be more of a nostalgic view.
maybe for some it could work, ya gotta remember on the performance side of things, Food and or feeding methods have come along way and the way of Keeps has also come along way, so yes those old dogs may just of had the potential to be far greater than they actualyy were in their time.
LOL.... by the time i finished doing the research and asking myself all the questions, id be cloning the dogs i have now that by then would be in the past..........

 

As far as cloning for performance i'm not sure that will turn out too well. maybe you would get something close.
One of my best friends from school had an identical twin.[If you are wondering what that has to do with cloning well they are genetically identical, basically a clone of each other] His twin did look identical but the similarities stopped there. Considering they grew up in the same house their personalities and drives were different. My friend was nuts on bodybuilding and competing in bodybuilding comps. He also went to uni for engineering, he also had bad eyes. the brother trained in the gym but wasn't as nuts as my friend. he studied to be a mechanic. and he had good eyes. Basically they had different drives and different intelligence level.

As far as breeding capabilities of a cloned bitch... that would need to be tested. I have an old dog on ice that if cloning wasn't too expensive, and possible through frozen semen, i would actually give it a shot. (only because that blood is impossible to get)

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I see all this talk about bloodline and how unless u know a dogs blood don't breed it. I see all these folks wanting dogs that are breed real tight back to so and so. Then this post comes up and folks say a direct genetic clone to any of the top dogs would not be what the originals would and wouldn't posses the same traits that made them great dogs. Does this not contradict the efforts of line breeding that has gone on for so long. I mean I understand u have to add outside blood time to time to keep from degrading it but a clone gets u all the blood of that targeted champ with none of the dilution. It was said it would be a step back for the breed. If it's a step back why hold past champs in such high regard. Do u believe these dogs of today down from whatever champ could all go toe to toe with the champs themselves and win. If the argument is game is in the blood then it's in the blood cloned or not. If game is not in the blood then blood don't matter.

No disrespect intended just trying to continue the discussion and maybe learn something.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_(sheep)

 

shotgun, some good questions asked, i wouldn't be the one to answer them i don't think, but my take on it is......
ie: line breeding,inbreeding has diversity, there will always be some bad that come's along with the good, you gotta as a good breeder weed em out, what you see as good, the next fella won't, that has alway's been the norm anyways. i personally cant see how there wouldn't be some sort'a diversity with cloning, but i don't know enough about it to say yes or know. my idea would be it may give some the opertunity to accompish something somebody didn't with said particular dog, but im also of the opinion if breeding practices have been paramount, what you have down from said dogs, should be better anyhow and as you say,that was said, shotgun they might not be what the originals were is partly correct but not intirely....(inviroment) plays a massive part, maybe more than people think.People hold past CH's in high regaurd because of the accomplishments they made to the game bred dog, very few of them actually pass that on.And again i will say if breeding practice's have been adequatately achieved, then yes today's dogs should be able to take it to those of the past. Remember Keep's(feed) also again have come along way, there for, lets say you had the two identical dogs but fed what they did back then and put in said person's keep, today you may just have the edge on the other one. Remember ther have been so many dogs in the past that people have said,"he should have wipped him, but he wasn't right. i think personally there are to many variables to go down that path, what one does today, will not do tomorrow, could a clone give someone a great foundation to produce great bulldogs is proberbly the first question id ask, and in answering myself, i would have to say "yes" i think it would.

 

The way I look at it is if I wanted a dog off so and so GR CH 40xW ROM POR do diddly dum. If I could get that dogs genetic equal instead of what Cory cringe has bred down from him and crossed with what Larry snoodels had that was off the same basic line. I'm gonna pick the genetic equal.

I do see that advances in conditioning and nutrition should make today's dogs have a better foundation than say a dog of 40 years ago. If u had said dog from 40 years ago that was able to benefit from these same advancements he to should be better than what he was then.

To be honest I would say price will prevent any real chance of this option being viable. If it ever was affordable I would really be interested to see what the outcome would be.

Until then I guess we have to stick with what is our best option. At this point line breeding seems to be it.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

What is required to pull enough dna from to clone? If its tissue then there would be no way to clone a dog from the past. However if semen or bone can be used then it could be interesting to see. If anyone has the contact info for a lab doing it shoot me it in a pm and ill call and find out.

 

this conversation came up 10 years ago on a msg board. I think if you cant produce good dogs and even better then previous then your not doing it right. I only see it as big money maker for peddlers. Past is the past.

 

To each his own.... but if I could, (through cloning) preserve the kind of genetics that produces three Gr chs and numerous other 1x and 2xers.... Like say... Cardenas Shorty x Hall's & Blackriver's Dempsey did in a SINGLE breeding...... I'd clone their a**es off.

There may be no guarantees in this deal..... but that's about as close to one as your gonna get.

 

Stop living in the past and dreaming about dogs that have long been dead. It does no good. Perhaps look at the here n now?

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Fair enough.....Back to potlickers of the present.lol

 

I vaguely remember some stock horse getting cloned a few years ago. Maybe someone can research that. They cloned the horse because it was a great producer so they thought they would give it another shot.

I'd feed a clone of Honeybunch or Arts Missy.

 

I think I remember a thread on here about some
lady going to south Korea to get her apbt cloned
this was a few years ago !

nmdogs

 

Another great post as usual TDK....I dont give out praises very often but when I do , I really mean it LOL.