Petcurean "Go Natural" Grain-free formula

Petcurean "Go Natural" Grain-free formula

Anyone have any experiences with this food? From their website:
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"80% Meat Inclusion 0% Grain!
Slow Cooked at a Low Temperature

Since 1999, Petcurean Pet Nutrition has been dedicated to the art of crafting and producing distinctive healthy alternatives. We are proud to introduce a new era of pet foods – “Go! Natural Grain Free.”

The complexities of this unique formula emerge in every morsel for your pet’s health and enjoyment. Imagine the sensational taste and enjoyment for your family friend when he indulges in 9 tasty, Human Grade and Hormone Free Meat Sources including Duck, Chicken, Turkey, as well as Herring and Wild Salmon, balanced with fresh gardens peas, carrots, potatoes, lentil beans, broccoli, spinach, garlic, orchard fresh apples, bananas, cranberries, and farm fresh blueberries. This unique formula is nicely finished with a rich and distinctive oil aroma, provided by human grade ingredients such as Chicken fat, Flax seed oil, and Salmon Oil, all crucial in providing a complete and Balanced Omega 6&3 essential fatty acid profile for a long and healthy life.

Let your family friend discover our foods and enjoy the benefits of healthy eating…. just like you!

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
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<table id="table1" style="font-size: 10px; font-family: Arial;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="450"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="150">Crude Protein</td> <td align="right" width="75">(min) 42%</td> <td rowspan="8" align="center" valign="top" width="225"> Available in 1.5lb, 6lb,
and 25lb bags

</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="150">Crude Fat</td> <td align="right" width="75">(min) 20%</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="150">Crude Fiber</td> <td align="right" width="75">(min) 2.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="150">Moisture</td> <td align="right" width="75">(min) 10%</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="150">Calcium</td> <td align="right" width="75">(min) 1.8%</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="150">Phosphorus</td> <td align="right" width="75">(min) 1.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="150">*Omega 6 Fatty Acids</td> <td align="right" width="75">(min) 3%</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="150">*Omega 6 Fatty Acids</td> <td align="right" width="75">(min) 0.5%</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> ​

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*not recognized as an essential nutrient by the A.A.F.C.O. dog food nutrient profile​

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INGREDIENTS​

Chicken Meal, Chicken, Turkey, Turkey Meal, Potato, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols (vit. E), Herring Meal, Peas, Tomato Pomace, Natural Flavour, Salmon, Duck, Salmon Meal, Duck Meal, Salmon Oil, Whole Dried Egg, Flax Seed Oil, Brewer’s Yeast, Pea Fibre, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Taurine, Choline Chloride, Chicory Root Extract, Mannanoligosaccharides, Pumpkin, Apples, Carrots, Bananas, Blueberries, Cranberries, Lentil Beans, Broccoli, Spinach, Cottage Cheese, Alfalfa Sprouts, Protease, Lipase, Garlic, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Enterococcus Faecium, Bifido-bacterium Thermophilum, Vitamins (vit. E, vit. C, niacin, inositol, vit. A, thiamine mononitrate, d-calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, vit. K, beta-carotene, vit. D3, folic acid, biotin, vit. B12), Minerals (zinc proteinate, copper sulfate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), Ascorbyl-polyphosphate, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Rosemary."

I googled it, and found a recal, due to people having kidny/liver problems after feeding it for a prolonged period of time. I'd be more then willing to believe, they were pets, being fed too much protein for their energy level. Intrested in it as a show-kibble, and pre-keep foundation. Lets hear it....
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Re: Petcurean "Go Natural" Grain-free formula

looks better than some shit i eat!

 

Re: Petcurean "Go Natural" Grain-free formula

Can't say I've heard anything about it personally. It rated pretty high on here http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=1137&cat=all And after reading those ingredients I'm hungry.

 

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The amount of protein is like EVO and IMO it is too high to be useed with the average dogs unless you have working dogs or a dog with specific needs.

Feeding a kibble diet like that does not mimic raw as some believe because the moisture level is not the same as in RAW. There are also no long term studies that I can find on how a diet like this will effect in the long term. In the short term it seems fine

 

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It would not be a maintenance feed, and would not be fed long term. My intrests with it, are as a solid foundation on which to supplement during a show keep.

 

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http://www.purina.ca/dogs/puppies.asp?article=471

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=510 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=bodytext width=510>DEMYSTIFYING MYTHS ABOUT PROTEIN</TD></TR><TR><TD width=510></TD></TR><TR><TD class=bodytext width=510><!-- start article -->Despite scientific advances that have increased the nutritional knowledge about the importance of protein in a dog's diet, there still are myths that feeding too much protein or the wrong kind of protein can be harmful.

Among breeders' key concerns about protein are: Does too much protein cause kidney failure in older dogs? Is it true that feeding large-breed puppies too much protein causes developmental bone problems? Can soy protein cause bloat, a potentially fatal illness, when fed to dogs?

The answers to these questions are no. In fact, research shows there is more reason to be concerned about feeding healthy dogs an inadequate amount of dietary protein.

Here, we present facts about protein to help you determine the best amount to include in your dog's diet for a healthy and long life.

The Geriatric Dog
Nutritional research has shown that healthy older dogs need more protein than young adult dogs - as much as 50 percent more. The additional protein is required to maintain a geriatric dog's protein reserves and support protein turnover, which are important in helping the dog's immune system function at its full capacity. Dogs that do not receive adequate protein are more susceptible to stress, such as injury or infection.

Dottie Laflamme, D.V.M., Ph.D., a Ralston Research Fellow, says, "It is important to provide older dogs with enough protein to help them fight the stress of aging, including injury and infection. Dogs fed inadequate amounts of protein may appear healthy, but may be less able to resist infection or fight off other diseases."

Despite this research, there has been a longstanding concern that excessive protein in diets for older dogs may cause kidney damage. The link is traced to clinical signs in dogs with kidney failure that relate to a buildup of byproducts from protein metabolism. However, research conducted during the past decade has shown that protein does not harm the kidneys.

Research first supporting the link between excessive protein and kidney disease was conducted in the 1920s, showing that male rodents exhibited progressive renal disease when fed a high-protein diet. 1 Another study on rodents, conducted in 1982 by B.M. Brenner, also showed that excess dietary protein caused kidney damage. 2 Though these studies were correct in rats, the results unfortunately were extrapolated to other species.

In contrast, research over the past 10 years or so has shown that protein does not harm the kidney of dogs. In studies conducted at the University of Georgia in the early 1990s, both in dogs with chronic kidney failure and in older dogs with only one kidney, protein levels as high as 34 percent caused no ill effects. 3

Delmar R. Finco, D.V.M., Ph.D., professor of veterinary medicine at the University of Georgia, says, "Our work was directed at learning whether a high-protein diet damages the kidney. After four years' studying geriatric dogs and two years' studying dogs with chronic renal failure, we found no indication that a high-protein diet was injurious to the kidney. However, the data did raise the question whether low-protein diets in geriatric dogs could be considered injurious."

In other studies, David S. Kronfeld, Ph.D., indicated that compared with high- or low-protein diets, moderate-protein diets, those with up to 34 percent protein, had no ill effects in dogs with chronic renal failure and were associated with general improvement. 4 The report confirmed that unless a dog has clinical evidence of kidney disease or other problems for which protein restriction may be beneficial, there is no reason to recommend a change to a low-protein diet.

Research on dogs at other universities and at the Purina Pet Care Center has generated similar results. Julie Churchill, D.V.M., assistant clinical specialist in companion animal nutrition at the University of Minnesota, was an investigator in studies to learn whether altering the amounts of dietary protein and fat could protect the kidney in aging dogs. 5

"We found there is no benefit in restricting protein in geriatric dogs," Churchill says. "We observed no changes in morbidity or mortality. So, the question is, 'Why restrict protein if there is no benefit?'"

Similarly, preliminary findings from the Purina Pet Care Center indicate that healthy geriatric dogs fed 45 percent dietary protein have maintained health and body condition, with no evidence of increased kidney damage due to protein intake. The evidence supports other recent research that protein at any level consistent with complete and balanced nutrition has no adverse effect on the kidneys of normal, healthy dogs.

It is known that as dogs age they become less efficient in metabolizing protein than young dogs so that older dogs require more protein than young adult dogs to fully replenish their protein reserves and maintain protein turnover. The specific amount of protein needed, as a percent of diet, depends on several factors.

"Geriatric dogs should be treated individually," Churchill says. "I think it's important to conduct a good health examination and blood biochemical profile by the time a dog is 7 years old in order to evaluate organ functioning and determine the best diet for that individual dog."

Similar to how the nutritional needs of dogs change with their age and lifestyle, their energy requirements tend to decrease with age. However, not all geriatric animals are less active or overweight. In fact, a greater proportion of older dogs are underweight than any other age group.

Many inactive older dogs need fewer calories, so it is important that they consume less food or a lower calorie food than they ate when they were younger. For this reason, many foods for older dogs are formulated to contain fewer calories, but it is important that they receive adequate intake of protein and other nutrients while reducing calorie intake.

The quality of the protein in dog food also is important. It must contain the right balance of amino acids and be digestible. This usually is accomplished by using two or more complementary proteins to achieve an optimum balance. For example, soybean meal and corn protein complement each other because the amino acids that are deficient in one are present in the other. Protein digestibility is achieved by the selection of ingredients and the processing. Processing that becomes too hot can destroy the amino acid content and lessens digestibility.

Large-Breed Puppies
Dietary protein requirements are much higher for growing puppies than for fully grown dogs. In addition to supplying the protein needed to support protein turnover and normal cellular metabolism, protein is needed to build growing muscles and other tissues.

Research at the Purina Pet Care Center and at other facilities has shown that puppies fed inadequate protein do not grow as well and are more susceptible to health problems than those fed nutritionally complete diets. At the Pet Care Center, English setter puppies that were fed a low-protein diet showed stunted growth compared to puppies fed higher levels of protein. However, when the protein level was increased in the puppies at the Pet Care Center, the deficiency was corrected.

Concern about protein causing developmental bone problems in large-breed puppies has led some breeders to reduce the amount of protein they feed. However, in research published in 1993 based on studies of Great Dane puppies at Utrecht University in the Netherlands, it was shown that dietary protein does not contribute to these problems. 6

Herman A. Hazewinkel, D.V.M., Ph.D., professor of veterinary medicine at Utrecht University, led the research that found no detrimental effects from protein levels up to 32 percent of the diet. However, puppies fed a diet of only 15 percent protein showed evidence of inadequate protein intake.

"Too low protein decreases the growth rate of puppies and also their immunological response," Hazewinkel says. "This is true for large- and small-breed puppies. An adequate protein level should be higher than 15 percent."

This study, conducted in young Great Danes during their first half-year of life, concluded that dietary protein increased to 32 percent does not negatively affect skeletal or cartilage development in these dogs. The research also confirmed that dietary protein did not have detrimental effects on liver and kidney functioning.


1 Newburg LH, Curtis AC. Production of renal injury in the white rat by the protein of the diet. Arch Int Med. 1928; 42:801-21.
2 Brenner BM, Meyer TW, Hostetter TH. New England J. of Medicine. 1982; 307:652.
3 Finco DR. Proc the Waltham/OSU Symposium on Nephrology and Urology, Columbus, OH. Oct. 1992, p. 39.
4 Kronfeld DS. Aust. Vet. J. 1994; 71:328.
5 Churchill J, Polzin D, Osborne C, Tet. al. Proceedings ACVM. 1997:675.
6 Nap RC, Hazewinkel HAW, Vorhout G, Biewenga WJ, Koeman JP, Goedegebuure SA, van't Klooster A Th. The influence of the dietary protein content on growth in Giant breed dogs. Journal of Veterinary and Comparative Orthopaedics and Traumatology. 1993; 6:1-8.
7 Client Information Series: Gastric Dilatation Complex in the Dog. Canine Practice. 1994; 19:1. <!-- end article -->




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Re: Petcurean "Go Natural" Grain-free formula

14, according to the ingredients and its analysis, this is a very good kibble!

How much does it cost?

Yes, I can certainly see kidney and liver problems from feeding such high protein percentage to a house pet. I like this kibble using potato instead of grains as starch.

I would try this kibble as a base feed in a keep. My only concern is if you intend on supplementing with fresh meats. My concern is due to the high level of protein in kibble. I guess we could reduce the amount of kibble fed but .........that adds more nutritional flux to the equation.

MAXIMUSFLYS: Please note that the article you have shared represents findings specifically for feeding MODERATE amounts of protein. The results (findings) are based on a maximum of 34 percent protein intake. The kibble 14 presented has a 42 percent protein. This kibble is well beyond what the "study" researched.

In regards to the study alone, I have read similar studies for older canines. One that comes to mind is a high fat diet for elderly dogs. It has been found (by some) that an older dog benefits from a high fat diet. Has anyone tried this feeding method for older canines?

 

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I do not know what the price is. On an intresting side-note, a friend who works where I buy 1/2 my food at, told me they had gotten in some new kibble that day, and was probably along the lines of the quality I was looking for. I finally got around to checking it out last night, and they are now carrying a few flavors of the petcurean brand. I'm sure it won't be too difficult, to get them to order a few bags of this if there is a market

We'll see.