why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

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Colby blood is known the world over and its only now thats its all about looks,
its only true experience that a superior body structure emerged, determination
was more key back then and the breed was also beginning. Last if any other dog
could have, it would have. A good old school dog never looks like anything of what he can bring to the table my hope is that genetically his body can handle the rigors of a true game champion intelligence and devotion included. Coon hound talk sounds like jibbejabba.

 

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A internet search of dogs from 1800’s / 1900's it appears those dogs look very much the same and some weighed 60 pounds , If any thing, the conformation was more vast & looks were not what was the concern , looks were a by product of a surviving line of game Pit dogs. :dogstare:<O:p</O:p

 

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my stafford

 

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Great lookin dog.

 

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thank you sir

 

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Nice 12 guage!

 

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thank you mccoy

 

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hey u guys my bitch ped unknown got servised from http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=395032
and i live in IRELAND and she had 6 pups today look at the feturs of sire to pups and the sire was inported 10yrs ago


they wer only welped today but i will show the photos that im on about tomorrow

 

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If persons on here knew their history they would know straight away that the ORIGINAL BULLDOG did NOT excel as a dog fighter and while been very game was to slow and could not match the STAffs( Bull and Terrier) There is a picture of the 1935 first Staffy dog show which shows dogs of great variety and length of leg. The early Hinks white bull terrier shows a photo from 1872 Hinks dogs did not have the Egg shaped head that his dogs show the day, This would be the foundation dogs that produced so-called pitbull terrier and were shipped to America to be followed much later by dogs like PILOT. Any breed of dog can be bred game, no one breed has a monopoly on this. EBT have proved a lot gamer than pits in Eastern europe.

 

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Where did you read that in some show bullterrier book....a lot of people believe there is very little or no terrier in the SBT or APBTs....and the bull and terriers crosses produced the show dogs = (English) Bullterrier...and I doubt any EBT have been matched in Eastern Europe in the past 25 years... their records of matches are well recorded in many Eastern European magazines... R

 

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I think this is the breeding you meant to post.... R
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=392102

 

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I agree with "RickyB", this pedigree "butch cass" sent to me in August 2011
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=370153

 

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After reading you last comment, I don't think you know what you talking about, ..good luck with your dogs... R

 

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The rezen why the dogs look a bit diferend in coloration and type is because. the dogs that where bred in the uk and ierland where NOT only Bulldog X Terrier crosses.
in those days everyting that was crossed with a bulldog that would fight and win was used in breeding programs (If you could call it that)
ofcours the bulldog x varieus terrier BREEDS proved to be the best ones. but beside the terriers used like the english wite terrier(james hinks) the manshester terrier the black and tan terrier ecetera breeds like the greyhound and wippet and dalmatier(Black spots in white sbt and pitbull terriers) ecetera where used as wel.
in them days the breedings where also kept secred and the english and Irich didnt like etchother nor CROSSED there dogs together.

when the massif imigration started due to the patattoo famin lots of Irich and english emigrated to the USA, and there dogs where fought and slowly crossed together including bull and terriers james hinks stile( Walter kominsky famous for his wite bullterrier type of PIT BUL TERRIER).
So you see beside the 70% of Bulldog x varius terrier crosses the other 30% where dogs of varius breeds.
HENSH we see a lot of differend dogs today in looks from wippet looking pitbull terriers (GRCH MAMMY)

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. hell it was said that the Red Boy line had labrador crossed in(as a joke) back then..
also diferend breeders are breeding diferend stiles and diferend TYPE of dogs that sute them the most .
Then there is the geografic diferense that asks for diferend dogs as wel acording to the climate there in!!.
You dont whant a strong stocky looking bulldog type of dog in the heat and ore heat with high humidity ecetera ecetera.
you can also reconize the diferend type barks the dogs have.
the terrier type of pitbull terriers ofthen have a High pitch YELP while the bulldog trowback type hase a low tone bulldog bark....
and with the diferend individual wishes of the varius old timer breeders the diferend types needed came to the sirvis.
last but not least The SBT and the am staff are DIRECT desendense of the origenal Bull and Terrier (not to be confused with the bullterrier) The bull and terrier whent as said to the usa where the dog had VARIUS names befor the name ""American Pit Bull terrier"" was labeld on him!!!. the name Yankee terrier was one of them, in the usa the breed was also crossed as wel with boston terriers and bull and terriers(Frisco/ Frico sport) Read 30 years with the fighting dogs of Georeg Armitage.. The SBT and The AM staff and the pitbull terrier where ""one and the same breed"" uptill 1934 when the SBT and the AM staff got there ofisial name and reconized as diferend breeds. they where just bred in a geografic diferend location for diferend purposses!!!!!!.

lots of am staffs and Pitbull terriers over the cours of 75 years are still dual registerd. where the SBT was bred as a smaller more bulldog type of breed and where misunderstanding of how the breed should look and perform hase become a shadow of the former dog he ones was the ""Bull and Terrier"" Known today as the Origenal Fighting dog "'The American Pit Bull Terrier""..
However The american pitbull terrier can ""not"" be claimed as a product of the USA alone nore can it be claimed as a sole product bij the Unighted Kingdom."
its a breed formed bij european man who took there dogs al over the world mainly to the USA where these imigrand Euopeans created a dog that was needed in the new world America!! and from there on natif born Americans bred and raised them as the dog we know today.
wherther the breed is called American pitbull terrier ore Bull and terrier ore at a later date Euopean pit bull terrier ( it hase sins then been imported back and tested and bred for 35 years) is irelevant.
its about the breed. last but not least sins the late 70,s the breed hase become a ""global"" animal. and wil change as a breed specialy where the breed in former eastern europe and russia is NOT being bred and tested under Cajun rulles. this means that a sirtin change in carackter and looks wil slowly form a side spiecies and in wil differ some. then the dog we known today. and thats in a nut shell how the cookie crumbles

 

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99jakc you are wrong!!. the James hinks Bullterrier was a CROSS between the Bull and terrier AND the old english wite terrier. and due to a resuld of lots of inbreeding the james hinks WHITE bull terrier over a short period of time was a ""failer"" as a breed and on its way OUT!!!.
the breed degenerated to sutch a point that the breed was 75% deaf due to a lack of hybrid viger and due to the inbreeding forced upon to a to small population of this breed.. .
it was there for DISIDED and APROOVED bij then then FCI to use 2 breedings with the SBT in 1934.
and as a resuld the deafness was sifted out.
the ""brindel"" coloration became part of the breed, and the better foot work was bred in as a resuld of these 2 croses, the douwn face sufferd at first. and more traights like BLACK and TAN coloration became presend as wel. KNOW YOUR HISTORY i say as wel...

 

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It was a black and Tan cross that was used to add the colour and try to get the certain defects under control. This dog was bred in 1910 by J.Higman of chorley. the cross was a Manchester Terrier crossed to Staff Bull Bitch and i have the glass plate negative of this dog which looks like an PBT but with clear black n tan markings. So Know your history. What book did you read that crap in. Clifford Hubbard was a very good friend to me before his passing and i would put his knowledge before all else.

 

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I did not realise that when you posted something on here it had to be in support of what had already being agreed by the mob and i had to be a sheep and agree with everything here-rather than throw something into the pot for debate. I thought i might share my collection of glass plate negatives and other source material with you. I would like to apologize for posting on this thread/site and hope i have not offended anyone. I was directed here by Thin William but will apologise again.
Regards OLD TIMER. from lil old ENGLAND.

 

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please do share your source material with us..
you need thick skin on here...don"t let it bother you..

 

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those are minor DETAILS. it thussend efect the out come that the Bulterrier created bij James Hinks had NO significant part watsoever in the breed knows as the american pit bull terrier today!!!!!.
sporeticly some bultterier blood sived in, and most of the ones that did made the grade like fisco sport was a english bullterrier x pitbull cross.

About that cross used,, the manchaseter terrier x Bull and terrier(aka pitbull terrier you meen) as there was no Stafforchire bulterrier ""pre"" 1934!!.
history wrighters about the SBT are wrong to asume that the SBT AM staff and the american pit bull terrier are desendense of the origenal Bull and terrier crosses. with the ecseption of the SBT and the AM staff today the american pitbull terrier IS the origenal Bull and terrier..

around 1800/ 1820 The eurly imigrands took the bull and terriers along with them and uptill today these dogs have been bred and raised the same no a thing hase chainged!!.
therfor the american pitbull terrier IS the breed from where the Sbt and the AM staff originated from!!.
the fact that the SBT came out of the UK side of the origenal bullterrier makes NO diferense. as the orginal Bull and terrier breed died out in the uk and became known as the weak jerk of named the SBT.... The origenal dog the bull and terrier is still around!!!!!..

 

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''About that cross used,, the manchaseter terrier x Bull and terrier(aka pitbull terrier you meen) as there was no Stafforchire bulterrier ""pre"" 1934!!.
history wrighters about the SBT are wrong to asume that the SBT AM staff and the american pit bull terrier are desendense of the origenal Bull and terrier crosses. with the ecseption of the SBT and the AM staff today the american pitbull terrier IS the origenal Bull and terrier..''

Bull n terrier was dog from the black country later known as SBT from 1935 first dog show. MT x SBT cross was Jock of the Bushveldt, The above you wrote is all cow hocked just proving you do not know very much. The PBT IS NOT the original Bull n Terrier. There is no general photographic evidence to prove your theorey or written evidence to prove it either. The old time dog men would not say what their breeding was BUT it is true that EBT did produce in crosses GOOD PBT lines as did staffs from the west coast of England that found their way to Ireland and America.
There is also a photo from the 1935 staff show which shows dogs of all shapes and sizes.
When you show the very first picture ever produced of an PBT that is if you do? do not show pilot or paddy the English dogs.
When old time dog men told of their dogs they did not tell of out-crosses and would not tell about man biters either because they wanted to sell their dogs as the original dogs "Colby is a classic example".