REAL HISTORY OF A LVING LEGEND (reprint)

now the same guy ...helped in a other way to sel a bunch of stolen dogs to the balkan ...
just to give a idea lol

 

Cajun you may well be correct , but if billy was out of dibo its funny how earl never said it so anyone , especially after the match of billys, im sure during the night earl would have made mention of it in talking to others being proud if another son of dibo , and yet no one has ever said that earl told them in person about it, and that as I said before seems odd , as it would be easier to have said it as earl did about other dogs out of dibo rather than never mention it , especially knowing there was some doubt to floyds claims being murmered .


The other thing is , and agustus post of the dibo story confirmed it, whcih is the time frame for when dibo left heinzls yard to go to tudors, and the story of dibo he posted shows that dibo was still on henzls yard at 2 yrs of age , which as I said would have made it impossible for him to have been billys sire as Floyd claimed, as billy was born in 1952 and dibo was born on march 20th 1951 , so the very earliest dibo could have been on earls yard is march 1951 , and then it would have been unlikely that earl even bred him straight away ,so I think the reason earl never confirmed billy was out of dibo was because he wasn't imo.

 

But I fail to understand why you lend more weight to the fact he never stated he was from Dibo,than you do the fact he never said he wasn't. The thing is the whole thing is based on one mans opinion versus another mans opinion. Your only fact is the DOB, I personally know that DOBs of dogs often change over the years. Hell I've got a couple of 3 year old dogs that went from May 29 2012 to May 2012 to Summer 2012 to "hell weren't they born in 2012", and that's after 3 years I'm sure in the next 10 years i may think it's 2011 or 2013


March isn't the only month for Madness!!

 

two different stories.Two different breeders.Dons story says nothing about Howards yard

 

agustus don story is about earl the man from his perspective, the other story is the one we all know well about dibo .and it tells us about dibos time on heiznls yard , which is very important in the whole billy saga .

 

Cajun I put more weight to it because its human nature to be proud of your dogs breeding and his abilty to produce game dogs, and if billy was out of dibo , then why didn't earl say something to dispel the speculation surrounding the dog if he was dibos son ? and as for the dobs, well you may have problems with your own dobs, but Floyd has never said it was different to the one of 1952 that he has said VARIOUS TIMES SINCE THEN, so unless you want to put words into floyds mouth , then I think we will have to assume that's the year he was born , which as I said, doesn't make it possible for dibo to have been his sire, even if you overlook the sole lack of any time where earl made it known that billy was a son of dibo ,which you may not think is strange, ( BUT YOU FIND IT STRANGE THAT DON DIDNT SAY ANYTIHNG FOR 30YRS ALTHOUGH YOU KNOW WHY THAT WAS ) BUT I DO ,AND I HAVE YET TO KNOW A DOGMAN BE HE BIGTIME OR LITTLE LEAGUE WHO WHEN FACED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEMSELVES A PAT ON THE BACK ABOUT A DOG THEY BRED WHO WAS A GOOD ONE , BUT NEVER SAID A WORD AND ,YOU SEE ITS HUMAN NATURE TO SAY SOMETHING , ITS THE WAY WE HUMANS WORK , AND EARL WAS HUMAN.

 

Dons words-- In Arizona a male named “Bouncer” was bred to a female called “Bambi” by a man called Ed Ritcheson/he was raised and named by a black man from a pup. This dog was named “Dibo,” in the heart of Africa the word Dibo means “Devil.”/////Sdj--A novice by the name of W. D. Smith acquired Bambi and made the breeding to Wiz Hubbard*s Bounce. Smith eventually sold Dibo, as a pup, to a man named Jensen who only wanted a pet for his son. /The trade was made and Dumbo went home with Howard Heinzl and stayed, where he would follow Mr. Heinzl and stayed out of the reach of the other chained dogs on the yard for about two years
Which is it?

 

Its not to clear from either 60 yr old story about Dibo age when Earl got him or started to breed him.SDJ story says earl got him at 2 had him shortly and then he was stolen and owned by a Black man who called him Runt.Earl got him back at 4yrs old.Dons version is different how he came about his name and about everything else

 

Agustus don was telling the story that he had been told and that was known by most about dibos life and he made mention of his name etc , but he hasn't changed the story from what most know about dibos life there maybe some variations as to the time after earl got him and he was stolen,but earl didn't get him early enough to have bred him to be billys sire that time frame is pretty much around or after 2 yrs old and don didn't invent it, and just like we are repeating it and other stories today from the past that are well known and not in dispute , so to me the fact that we can say that dibo from all accounts was at least 2 yrs old by the time earl tudor got him should tell us that hes not billys sire, even if the fact that earl never mentioned billy as a son of dibo as far we can tell , so if others want to believe that he is dibos son , eventhough the facts and common sense tells us that he probalby wasn't then that's thier right to believe it, but I think if you take the known story or stories which all pretty much give the 2yr age for dibo leaving howards yard , and add the fact that earl has never or at least as far as we know never said dibo was billys sire, then I think it leaves a lot of reason to doubt that billy was a son of dibo , and if billy were alive today along with the other known sons of dibo knowing what we all know today about the billy saga, and you wanted to breed to a son of dibo , would you breed to billy or spike or jeff , or would you still go ahead and breed to billy , because I know I wouldn't .

 

cik you really making sence ..............................

 

So I geuss it would be fair to say that all the dogs that Don got from Earl are not bred as registered either....... Earl never said they were


March isn't the only month for Madness!!

 

lmao You got jokes Key

 

His answer will be " everyone knows Dons dogs are off Dibo.It was never disputed.He had the purest of the pure."

 

thank you augustus lol

 

agustus what I will say is that if dons dogs are in doubt as Cajun is saying just because earl didn't register them , then everyone elses are also .


Earl commented on his dogs , including nigger ,which became mayfields later on,
and those dogs along with others down from dibo like jeff /spike /white rock and others that are the known bedrock of the dibo line , have not had the dubious history that surrounds billy, so if Cajun now wants to say that maybe dons dogs, or anyone dogs down from dibo is in doubt is really making him sound a bit silly , of course in the what if world of anything is possible, then yes of course , but that's why I say what is more probalbe based on what we know, and if I had to take a bet or a chance on breeding to billy over nigger or jeff /spike and other known sons whos breeding has never been in question until Cajuns post, then I would have to breed to what I feel is more probably a true son of dibo ,than one which has to many doubts surrounding him, but of course if you or Cajun have some dobs and other information that may shed light on which sons of dibo were actually out of dibo then go ahead , I think I have shown that im open minded to listen to you guys , but it still seems you guys are not really openminded enough to give the same back, and are looking for any tiny but possible loophole to not have to say that Floyd probably lied , and that's fine if you feel that way, but im guessing that if you had to breed to billy over the other sons , you wouldn't breed to billy , even if you dont want don to be right or me or any of us who feel Floyd lied about billy and stole eli, you know theres to many question marks over billy to be sure about his ped so im sure you like most would have bred to the other sons over billy.


By the way , and I mentioned this before, but when don was friends with Floyd before the eli litter, and knowning how don was into breeding the dibo /nigger family into the most inbred dibo line there was, then why if he believed billys ped back in the day when he could have bred to billy , and that he was most inbred son of dibo if you believe the peds on billy, that don never did breed to him ? I mean a man as obsessed with the breeding of that family as tight as he could , and going more into that family , it seems very strange that he would have passed up the chance to breed to the billy dog.


You see its things like that that help give me more to base my opinion on things , its one of those common sense questions that should have an easy answer if you know what a mans searching for , I mean if your a gold miner why would you pass up the chance to dig for gold when you have the gold mine at your finger tips ,and decide to go elsewhere to dig for gold ?

 

You could also ask why Floyd would steal a litter of pups when he had access to Don's yard. Making stuff up and guessing is just making stuff up and guessing.

 

boots who says Floyd had access to dons yard ? so im guessing after all the obvious doubts as to billys ped and the very likely true ped on eli not being scrub x candy, you want to try and use any argument you can to try and shift the goalposts for Floyd .


Your reasoning as to why did Floyd needed to steal the litter when he could have gone to don himself, but you see not everyone is the same , and Floyd was doing his own thing back then with those dogs he had , it was only after don took crybaby to floyds to whelp her litter that after they were born Floyd decided to keep them and the rest as we say is history , you see back then don was the breeder and was getting more and more into the dibo family , and of course with Floyd pretending to have billy a son of dibo and a family bred around him , it would have looked rather strange him asking for a breeding to don , when he supposedly already had that blood in billy and offspring like scrub x candy ,(but anyone can see they were not the same family that eli was )so when the golden opportunity of those pups landed on floyds doorstep , Floyd couldn't resist it, and he probably thought that with don having personal problems at home, that he would maybe not even be back for the dogs, but boots if you think that billy is bred true to your satisfaction, and that eli is out of scrub x candy , then can you explain to me how you make billy out of dibo please thank you .

 

Yep! and why let the truth get in the way of a good story?

 

that they where " friends " does't mean floyd had acces to the dog/genes of don
we al know that dog sport is a indivual sport and not a team sport ...
it was interesting for floyd to look after don his dogs lol . at least when this ended happely
of course he got some of don ...but floyd took in my ey's a wrong disisuan .....


evrybody take the road on his way ...you go of the road come back on it ..
its al about last part of life

 

polar I agree with you when we have the dobs and timeline for dibo along with the eli story which eventhough isn't conclusive proof that crybaby was the dam , but it certainly makes more sense than scrub x candy and what was around before eli , , that you guys don't want to realise that the only one making up stories was Floyd and now you guys defending those same stories, so by all, means believe what you like , but before you post your hate at least try to say sometinhg that shows im making up stories , that's an easy copout when you don't have answers yourself .