Canada-Family furious after police shoot pit bull in yard

The bottom line is it was "private property" that being the key thing here. If anyone is just bored look up the number of people who are suing police departments for being innocent victims of police dogs attacking them and the handler not being able to control their "well-trained dogs" :rolleyes: That being said, I don't hate law enforcement, I just don't trust them... just my 2 cents.

 

IF it had happened on the dogs property, then it would be the bottom line, As it was on the neighbours property the bottom line is the dog's owner failed to have his dog under control and should be a man about it and accept the blame of his dog's actions, But seems he just changes his story and thinks hes not at fault which sadly in the end its most likely going to end up hurting bully breeds out in BC.
You can already see from some of the comments on the news reports, forums, blogs ect that they are using the poor dogs death to try and have pits banned which is unfair to owners who are responsible for the actions of their dogs.

 

Again PRIVATE PROPERTY.... and why was the officer unable to control his trained dog

 

Also it is a Pitbull this can happen with the breed....I agree a responsible owner should have a dog on a leash, but shooting his dog come on now that is alittle to much on Private property.:rolleyes:

 

Not sure why you think repeating "private property" is making any point.
If you let your dog out because someone is cutting through your Neighbours property and your dog attacked the person you would be the one to be changed with having a dog at large as its Not your dog's property to protect and the person who had been attacked would most likely sue you.
Only one who would have any claims of them being on private property would be the neighbour as it was their yard where the fight happened.

Why are you implying the officers didn't have their Leashed dog under control?

 

A K-9 officer should be trained on how to keep their dog under control without having to resort to killing another person's animal and family pet. I've had to seperate kennel fights before; are you trying to imply that two grown men cannot control two dogs? Let alone on (uh oh).. "private property" that they should NOT have been on to begin with without permission from the property owner :rolleyes: It's unecessary and the death could have been avoided. You don't appear to be very receptive to any other point of view other than your own; I've said my peace and my opinion on the topic... end of discussion.

 

Odd, questioning other peoples points equals not being open to other point of views to you?

I asked why you're implying the officers dog wasn't under control, you didn't answer you just repeated your belief it wasn't under control.
You didn't explain why you thought it wasn't.

How much more control would you have liked them to have?
It was leashed and didn't attack, it was attack while leashed with its handler with it, So how did you decide it wasn't under control?

Thats great that you we're able to break up fights in a kennel where I'm sure the dogs knew you and you knew them, Personally I wouldn't have any hesitation of getting in between two dogs I knew to break up a fight but common sense would make me hesitate getting in the middle of a fight when one of the dogs was unknown to me

Yes, it could have.
If the dogs owner had his dog leashed or in a secured yard on his own "private property" :p

 

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I'm sorry but that statement right their shows lack of understanding.

First ANY ONE that owns a dog, more so one that makes a living using a dog should be trained and comfortable in breaking up a dog fight....if you lack this skill, then the HUMAN is lacking. What the he** does KNOWING the dogs have to do with this skill. You are either a capable handler or you are not. And moreso a PB in drive is focused on his cainine opponent NOT the handler, it was the guardian IN AN OUT OF CONTROL STATE OF MIND THAT WOULD MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE SWISS CHEESE those officers were afraid of!!!!!! Never mind the leash. I assure you if those officers knew anything about our breed this whole incident could have been avoided. Had the "knowledgable" handlers seen the PB charging their dog, they should have PUT their dog in a stay behind the both of them and as the PB approached grabbed the dog by the collar or the scruff. If the PB had gotten a hold of the dog they should have taken his wind away and seperated the dogs.

Private property keeps being mentioned as it is IMPROPER to train a K-9 around civilians PERIOD!!!!!!! It is thoughtless, dangerous and irresponsible. I don't care if it was the neighbors property, the officers should have been on a training field with TRAINED distraction dogs...are you thick or do you not understand this.

They panicked and in the process let their own dog down as they FAILED to protect their own dog...BAD pack leaders and had to KILL another because 1. they LACKED the basic sense to stay out of that environment and 2. they did not have the skills to control the situation. THEY FAILED BOTH DOGS. They are responsible for creating the situation and then NOT knowing how to react once in the situation.

And if you are not prepared to get inbetween two fighting dogs not known to you then get a cat!!!!!! Not only should you know the best way to do this it is YOUR responsibility to know, PB or poodle.

 

Mydawgs Thank you..You see where I am comming from thanks

 

Attempts were made by the two police officers to pry the Pit Bull's jaws from the neck of the police dog without success

Goodness....what ill prepared handlers, they were prying the jaws open????? They were tracking with their dog and COULD NOT react in enough time to protect their dog as another charged then tryed to PRY the PB jaws open???????????

When with a twist of the PBs collar and a lift off his feet....he would have been FOPRCED to gasp for air...when ANY living creature is deprived of O2 they will require it at some point...PB off the ground, secured by the collar and the guardian secured by leash...BOOM seperated.

If no collar a choke hold will do on the PB..as they very rarely redirect, I know as I have used this method on a dog with no collar.

If I were those handlers boss, I would fire them, they failed on so many levels.

 

I'm sure the police did panic, most people who aren't used to dog fights would.
I've owned dogs (both large breed and toy breeds) my whole life and have never once had a dog even attempt to fight another dog, as they are trained and socialized.

As for the trainers knowing anything about pits, they most likely didn't.
What seems to you knowing the breed as common sense wouldn't be obvious to someone not familiar with the breed.

As to where and why they were training there and if they should or shouldn't have been, police dog training in urban areas and rural areas is common. To only train in a training field is impractical when training a working dog who must learn how to track in all areas and situations.

 

Them trying to pry open its jaw does appear to be a stupid move, I've never dealth with a dog fight but even I wouldn't have made that a choice in breaking up a fight, I'd have gone for a collar or scuff of the neck mainly as the neck is farther away from the teeth

 

Yep. Agree 100%. I've seen K-9s working and all they need is a command from their handler to cease and believe me, they cease whatever it is that they are doing.

Mama: I don't know if you've ever been up close with a K-9 before. What they are told to do, they do.

The police did not let anyone know beforehand that they were going to be doing a "training" session. This is negligence, on the part of the police, NOT the owner of the dog.

What if there were little kids playing in the yard?

 

What command should they have given their dog? "release your neck"? :confused:

What if it had been a child cutting through the neighbours yard with their dog and the dog attack? Would the child be the one to be blamed?
What if the neighbours had other guests over who had a dog with them and it was the one to be attack? Would the neighbours be to blame because they had vistors?

I'm not saying the police couldn't have dealt with all this better, but to not see where the dogs owner is to blame for not having his dog under control and not secured within his own yard is ignorance.

 

IT is unfortunate but the RCMP has been screwing up royaly around here lately.I even had one tell me ,if they are chasing a bad guy and he jumps my fence into my very well contained yard and they follow and are confronted by my dogs they will shoot them and they have the right to.Now that is total BS.I told him that if that happened there would be a total shit storm he just laughed and said no there wouldnt.

 

True they should be hearty trackers, however the handlers were TOO green for this scenario and the public should have been informed. The mere fact that they did panic, evidenced by prying the jaws of a pb breed dog, means they should not have been where they were. The fact that they let another dog near their says the same. Remember IT IS THEIR JOB TO DO THIS WELL!!!!!!!!!!

Training a working dog is one thing..they train for sport, training a K-9 is completely different, it is not for play....please understand the difference.

BTW you can seperate a PB by the head because they are PBs, guardians should be seperated from the rear legs as they will shred you!

Yes the owner is at fault as well, but had he been informed he could have brought his pet in....can you see this???? I really don't care what is said that scenario was not ready for prime time, and those officers put the public at risk.

And the sarcasm is rich...those handlers had an obligation to keep that dog, their dog safe...THEY FAILED, it should have never been in the situation where it was vulnerable to another dog and two rookies!

 

If you are talking about the K-9, whatever command they use that tells that dog to release is the command that should of been given.

Sorry, but I will have to agree to disagree with you. This all could of been prevented if the police gave advance notice that they would be doing a training session.

If I was this owner, I'd get myself a lawyer and do what needs to be done.

 

Excellent point.