Breeding to a steroid champ...????

Goat I don't want to revisit GMO with u. I think we both know that will go nowhere.

I do have a RCD layed up now with a broke leg. I have given him nothing but time. I myself was shot as a kid. As far as I know they didn't give me roids. On the other hand I have an aunt that was given roids by a doc. She got a lil fat and hairy but other than that she didn't grow balls that I know of. I know several folks that took them to get bigger faster stronger.

I will concede to the simple idea that it's for recovery only. I still ask tho if u could find a dog that was natural and equal in every way and recovered quickly would that not be the better dog to breed to?

This is an honest question. I know when it comes to subjects such as these people are pretty set in a mindset so I say u do what u will. I will do the same.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

I honestly don't see what the hang up is. A lot of dogs that are given roids are what you describe Shotgun. As TDK mentioned earlier, shouldn't you already know your dogs natural abilities and talents are before you show them? The answer is yes. So you should know whether you'd breed to the dog due to its natural state. Steroids are a tool to help ANY dog, whether you or I seem the help unnecessary or not. Much like supplements or anything else given. They're just a tool. Tools don't make the dog a winner. The dog does that all on his own.

Now if roids made the dog smarter, more agile, and increased the dogs ability to recover three fold, then maybe I would concede some points, but they don't.

 

Listen what you do with your dog is your business completely, but I will say this. Most folks who use steroids have no damn clue what they are doing and folks who aren't using them are mostly mad because they have no damn clue of how to use them either. If you don't like roids or want to kick the natural thing, i don't want to hear you using supplements, wormers or any chemical. You're all natural and your dogs should be eating organic food lol. Most folks don't get to the point of roids or anything else because they don't properly know how to raise a pup up with good nutrition and overall health.

 

Dude no reason to get all defensive. I'm just trying to understand. When I say natural I solely mean natural ability not anything else. I know how to raise and care for the dogs I raise. All of my dogs are healthy and well cared for. They also do work on a weekly basis in the woods where they were meant to. I don't have a bunch of chain queens. Just for the record the closest I come to organic food is what comes out the garden and the woods.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

if the dog produce good why not? Show bb a cert that can be bred to dog.
roids meth dope cat food whatever. They can produce or not end of story.

 

Was this in reference to me?? I don't know what you do with your dogs never asked or spoke to you about them. If they work in the woods every week they sure are durable and have some mettle to them. Far as them being Chain Queens that's between you and your comp to determine. My statement wasn't directed at anybody specifically. But natural ability is natural ability, Steroids don't give you nothing you don't already have. If Steroids made you Super man then we would have 100k Barry Bonds hitting 80 HRs a year, and 25 double GrChs but we don't. Again most folks who don't like Roids or are against them just have no clue how to use them, but be the same folks using RF1 or Super Fuel or Go Dog etc.

 

No prob I thought u directed ur comment at me.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

Can't say it no better than that. I think some folks believe steroids are making the dogs great, which it is not and cannot. Folks only use that type of money on a product after said animal has proved to be worth it to their standard.

 

Exactly I agree , roids is just another conditioning tool. Roids are not some super drug that some people like to make it out to be LOL.

Also what is considered natural anyways? If I add pharmaceutical man made creatine powder to my supplement and you dont is that natural? Is adding creatine cheating? LMAO

Why is one supplement deemed natural and fair and another deemed unnatural and unfair (cheating)? The ONLY TRUE reason is because one is LEGAL and the other is ILLEGAL.

 

I guess the 'hypothetical mind' was wondering if the dog on steroids would produce a two-headed dog lol.....(shhhh....PM me B8B, I've got 5 for sale sight unseen......lmao)

 

Well said.. Very good point!

 

...if you know the dog is naturally good,,,well that would be different ..yes......s-pose a-lot will go to personal judgements,and what you know off the dog...(or if you can/or/would ya trust others opinions)..??..and true nobody is going run a race knowing their dog is crap,,..mmm

 

These are just my beliefs & why I wouldn't waste time on a dog that wasn't great naturally.


The tittle of Champion should mean something.
It should @ least stand for better than average. It should mean above average.
It should.
But there is absolutely no way what so ever that someone can tell me in any form that steroids don't make a difference.
No way.
Because they do.
I have been working out since 1980 & have been able to bench 405 with little warm up since 89 because I had trained natural.
Others that worked out with me from time-time place to place that couldn't handle 275 were able to make over 300 by using steroids ,but never maintained it after they got off it.
What size & strength they had gained by using it was also lost after they got of it.
There is not "only 1 type of steroid".
Different steroids produce different out comes. D-Ball, will help with size & winstrol will endurance & the list goes on & on.
That's why most folks will run cocktails , meaning a group of different steroids to get or get close too a complete balance.
But Most that I have personally know & even famous ones that I followed growing up , all lost most if not all gained using drugs.
But the exact same is with animals.
I have seen a lot of "garbage dogs" that "looked better than what they really actually were while on steroids!
They were strait mediocore ,average , nothing special dogs. They competed into the same mediocore type wild hogs. But as long as the dog would scratch he could have a chance of only "out lasting the competition.
Not better than, just out lasting.
"THE BEST OF 2 BUMS"
Some folks will file teeth & put on steroids to make appear that it bites harder than it actually does.
Some folks will give "bute" to a dog , to make it look gamer than it actually is.
Bute is something used on horses to make lame horses appear to walk ok.
The animal doesn't feel as much pain.
There's a lot of dirty stuff that goes on as is.
But you cannot tell me in any way that steroids don't make a difference because it does.
In my firm belief that if any dog holds the tittle Champion then he should live up to it natural.
Why ? Because people are breeding dogs off this dogs expecting like results naturally !
Folks will raise these pups & dogs expecting to get the bite the ch was known for or the wind the ch was known for & so on, but end up culling dogs ,believing it was supposed to be something it never was in the 1st place. They only raised what the CH was itself. Mediocore.
That explains a lot of dogs that never produced like dogs. Drugs in most cases.
If a dog is really a champ that means he was great ..... Prove it again naturally since he so called earned the tittle.
Unbeatable is un- beatable .
You will get more of what your looking for & cull a lot less breeding to natural dogs.
Fact not guess work.
Again, these are just my beliefs & why I wouldn't waste time on a dog that wasn't great naturally.