Earning a title.

Everyone has there own concepts based on there own history with this breed of dog.
Not every body shares the same concepts.
But no matter how different some views may be some things should stay the same.
Someone that maybe new or someone with limited knowledge based what ever reasons , may base some issues different with some one who has seen & done more.
You can read many of books over time & talk to folks that have spent over a few decades a difference in Values & Valuable things. To each his own.
I'm just sharing personal experiences.
NOT EVERY DOG WITH A TITTLE IS ACTUALLY AS GOOD AS YOU THINK!
That is not a concept but a true fact.
A tittle should signify better than average . The greater the tittle the better the dog.
But facts are simple. These days every one wants to be something in as quick as possible.
People have seen too may handpick easy competition just to get a tittle.
And folks will tell you that normally you can tell because they have seen Practices better than that show. Not every dog is battling the greatest battles again hogs.
Some of them are just merely going threw the motions.
Seen to many shows where the hog never even bit back & they just called in in 10-15 mins. Fact! Would he have still one if the hog put something on him?
He won but would you consider basing a family on him? never got bit the whole time.
One bite could have turned the tables.
Seen some that wouldn't even scratch so if no turns called & never out of hold wouldn't loose. YOU DONT HAVE TO GIVE A COURTESY SCRATCH.
Would you base a line off that?


Seen far too many winners & ch's earn there tittles going from 30 mins-1hr & 3o mins @ a show but the same ones quit in less than 10 mins in a practice or OTC.
How come? Simple. Never had real pressure put on them.
It's easy to win when on top! Just stay there.
The list goes on & on. Be it good dog - mediorcore or seasoned dogman against novice starting out & don't know how to conditional & handle, etc.


To each his own. This isn't knocking tittles or titled dogs but to say based dogs off what you see & not what you have read or heard.

Every winner isn't really a winner in all eyes & every champ even though went threw the motions isn't of champion quality.
People hand pick easy comp & cheat !

A lot of guys with dogs like that won't even base there yards off there own dogs like that.
Because the know the flause in that dog. Why would you still have dogs years later but not have dogs based on your champ? Instead you went to another breeders yard & based it on a dog with a lesser tittle or even none.
Don't make since but goes on every day.
A tittle is good but a good dog is always better.
Every one has there own opinion but one thing we have known since the begging never changes..
" GREAT DOGS MAY NOT PRODUCE A GOOD LINE BUT A GOOD LINE WILL ALWAYS PRODUCE GREAT DOGS".
If your into pretty peds full of tittle dogs by all means make sure they worked for it &not just went threw the motions. You pay for it later down the road when breeding a line.

 

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it was in a quiet periode .....building new yard ,
i went to a friend to fool a bitch .
this friend was not in a quiet periode .....
we fooled them ...and my friend said after ..
tonight have seen a good fool .....that make me forget al those official fools of lasy year ..
lol
like your writing's ziggy

 

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to crazy some got born as one time this days

 

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what he said excely
tonight have seen a nicer then the average show i have last year

 

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Gameness is seen on the bottom.

 

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Not all the time!

 

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Well..IMO...I'd rather have one that can handle the heat...not just flick the bic to fire one up...I was simply agreeing with what seemed to be the point.
Its the difference between quitting and going the distance... And most often seen from the one that will hang in there ..
Not trying to start another tok thread..but that is my outlook.
I guess nothing is 100% certain... But that is a general rule from the old school.

 

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Only one thing can be said about all this, its all a gamble.
I always go back to Eli. Imagine if them dogs went to dogmen
That were just starting out. That famous litter went into
Great capable hands, with great breeding programs, keeps
And knowledge on how to raise a good bulldog.
So going back to its all a gamble, you have to put all odds
In your favor in order to be a successful gambler, breeder,
Handler. In this succesful litter the odds were in there favor.
I think we sometimes miss the point and put to much on a dog and
Dont step back to see the real picture it takes way more
Then a dog to put in the work in order to succeed.
I believe there are more breeders out there so lost
Breeding dogs because of a famous bloodline. To many people
Quick to breed to keep a bloodline or family of dogs around.
I ask for what?, if your not eventually getting them to the box in order
To compete and win on a consitant level why the hell were they bred?
If the breeder really cared he would put the pups in working hands, not
Pet homes, or any tom, dick or jane with a credit card.
This is why the game is or is going to shit. The games reality
Is going to shit, and that reality is the box. But so much
Other bullshit is being putbefore the box that peds and bloodlines
Got put before it. Im rambling now, just breeding and puppy sales
Piss me of.

 

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87buick, great post