Few versus the many?

Its all relative of course but I myself prefer a larger yard. I usually had around 50 dogs give or take and not only did I enjoy it I think me and the dogs benefited from it. For example I could and did keep entire litters which obviously allows you to find out the ones that look the best when all grown up. But this also allowed me to form a more educated opinion on my own breeding stock and how and what they produced. Meaning if Joe Small dogman has Ch. Duke and he is proud of that dog and he is ready to base his yard on that dog so he breeds him to 1 bitch and has 1 litter then he has around 10 dogs give or take. 2 are brood at 8 or so pups. See ya in 2yrs. Now Joe Big has a Ch.too. Along with his littermates that turned out and don't forget the Ch.'s parents and lets say 5 brood bitches from various breedings and or bloodlines. Around 15 dogs give or take. But now Joe Big can breed his Ch. to more than one female and also champs littermate brother that showed to be a really good dog can get bred to a couple different bitches and his littermate sis can be bred back to pops, etc, etc. And after the same 2 yrs Joe Small knows how one litter wound up looking when one particular male was bred to one particular female with a certain pedigree. Which is fine. But Joe Big already found out that his champs brother produced better than Ch. when bred to fewer bitches and he might find that the blood he started with is better when crossed with the redboy blood than crossed with the patrick blood and the runt male in the litter that also proved that he could stay all day was bred to that yellow bitch and they threw small boned dogs with brittle teeth and lacked ability but would go all day so he is out of breeding program for now or maybe Joe Big can trade his buddy for that male he wanted That was off of Jeep and the littermate sister throws really smart dogs when bred back to the sire and so on and so on....So you see the percentages really don't stay the same because each dog is different and can produce different results as is each family/strain/bloodline and the more options and individuals you have and breed the better knowledge you will have about YOUR dogs in a shorter amount of time I might add. And You are also seeing all of this for yourself. Not tracking down several other Joes trying to find out how the rest of a litter turned out just to find that three are MIA do to this guys divorce or that guy got evicted and suzie hung her self on a chain....

Also as slim stated some yards are smaller because of the actual size and space and those smaller yards might cull harder because there just isn't the room to keep the "maybe" dogs just the "for sure" dogs if i understood him correctly. I agree somewhat but there is 2 sides to that coin. First off yes there is always variables that will influence an dogmans decision but for the most part at some point everyone has to know what their own standard of what they want/need in the dogs they are going to feed and breed. Shouldn't matter if you own 1 dog or 150. Your standard is your standard. Having also known and spent time with others that had large yards one can say the same thing about culling hard do to constraint if you will. A large yard takes alot of tlc, time, and money! I knew dogmen that would get together for a weekend and cull more dogs harder than most men would agree with. 10-20 dogs in a weekend could be culled out of the program and the reasons where often the same. Not enough time or money to keepem all. Plenty other mouths to feed.etc.

In other words I like my dog yard like I like my women. Large! lol

 

not arguing, good posts for sure. I think Joe small with a good group of honest friends(ship,Cap,Crew)O - could do similar to Joe big in a combine. Combines are not for everyone, but they can and have been proven to come out on top before. And yes - nobody can be trusted 100% - well i believe family and friends can. Family first, for there are ways to deal with family, friends(few n far between) but pacts can be made, and upheld.

half empty half full kinda thing i say - but i have an open mind - kind of goes with the peddler thread in a sence.

 

nobody outside my friends and family- - i cant speak for everyone - - its a constant process with friends though. Was thinking outloud more so - but yes - respect is given , but keep is earned,
sorry for my rambling outloud -
all that would fuck you have already been culled from the family and friends -

 

...these dogs can make even lifetime friends act different,,i found that out me-self....but some friends are better than others......

 

money have anything to do with it?

 

...dog sold while other on holiday...many moons ago......

 

money was involved - and sell/sales/egos/.. seem to be why most have sour feelings towards others in reguards to dogs in general I have noticed - so i can see where my road leads. Be humble and dont sell dogs - or buy them, or pay to breed...simple

 

Very true slim.
More involved in the showing of the animals than the actual breeding and whole ball of wax that starting your own family of dogs comes with.
Reminds me of a man that owned a lot of great show dogs from the northeast. I believe one was named Buck.
But if we are focusing more on just the dogs that are show quality than there can be another asset of having more dogs that one might benefit from.
Schooling. The more dogs the more sizes and styles. You can get more of a measurement of your dog without leaving your own yard. The bottom line is to each his own and we have seen both work for different dogmen with each having their pros and cons.
As far as partners go help is always nice. I've done it on my own and I also was lucky enough to of had two different partners at different times in the dogs. Both of which I could trust 100%. Trust that they like myself were 100% human and not perfect.

 

...good point slim ..notice that way things seem to work out for all..plus ya had your own individual things...takes some of the stress out ,that way if to much on your hands.....

 

I understand that to a point but the more individual time you spend grooming the bulldogs and if spread thin the % decrease, if your the type to pull your hound thru and not depend completley on ability and condition but pull thru with the human bond...
These type can take 4 out f and suceed while others might only suceed with 4 or 5 out of 20 all being bred the same, IMO...
The owner of IBM told me it takes those certain type of person to raise that certain type of dog and thats the makings of an ace...
Alot of people let alot of ace quality animals slip thru thier hands due to sense and lack of grooming, IBM was told he was an ace from Malik when he first walked him as a pup...

 

Im a pet buller, haven't seen jack really, but I find the idea that if I spend more time petting, grooming, walking etc. my dog, thatll make him/her want to come over, when their lights are almost out, very wishful thinking. It might make yourself feel good about whats in store but IMO the dogs don't give AF esp when theyre going. Maybe afterwards, a bond might develop but I don't see how that bond will do anything more than maybe getting them to pull thru the aftermath. getting more skill or depth of character...., I just don't see how.