Game bred around other dogs?

Now is it at all possible to have a game bred dog around other dogs? If the dog is well socialised and been around other dogs its whole life is it possible? I have heard it said that the dogs "turn on" in reference to dog aggression around two years or maybe before. Is that always the case or is it from lack of socialization? I would also like to know if there are warning signs to this?

 

sure it can, just many ppl think its not natural, you can see pic with game-dogs with cat and other dogs and you got it, its lack of socialization and training. However ppl like that prey drive its what makes a APBT a APBT, well at least in my eyes.

 

I have one male from chinaman lines and one female that just showed up one day so I no cleu how she is bred and I also have a shepard/boxer mix that is the most dog aggressive of all of them. The male is almost a year and has been play fighting a lot more lately but if I tell him quit he is fine. Just wonder if I need to start being a little more careful

 

I never give any dog 100% trust with anything,,they are all animals,,I would never trust the dog not to fight,,dog parks and dog playlands are stupid,,your not going to see the warning signs until its to late,,bottom line is to not trust him

 

Well I agree with that 100% and infact I am. Im just trying to contiue to gain knowledge on this breed. I do think he would probably fight If I would let him just trying not to. Also I have never trust a pit bull not to fight on my fridge

 

I wish it were true that socialization would make this not happen. Would have saved me allot of heartache!! I have had very few and far in between "cold" bulldogs. I have had them play like best of friends, and in the blink of an eye, turn on and try and kill each other. One will end up trying to be top dog, and after that moment, playtime is over, for good. I mean, you may have spent enough time with your dog that it gains selfcontrol while your eye is on it, but when your attention is diverted, WHAM!! I have seen many halfbreeds that would be just fine playing with other dogs.
Personally, I do not put my dogs in provoking situations to help them turn on, I let it happen naturally, at least untill 2 yrs or so, most I've had turn on good between 8 months and 1.5 yrs.

Owner, Beware!!

 

My dog has met other dogs from 7 weeks old. I basically oversocialized him. And I still wouldnt trust him not to fight. Now at 11mos. he meets new dogs he meets them from the side not face to face EVER and I approach very catiously reading both dogs body language and he's on a very short leash and not to close. I know what seems to set him off(very submissive male dogs and very dominate male dogs. Never have problems w/ female dogs except my GSD who trys and beats up on him. But she's such a bit*hy dog) so I always ask the owner

 

so the male with the other two females should be fine?

 

I Hear that I have a litter right now just turned 4 months today, Out of 12 pups 9 of them have been full blown fire since between 8-12 weeks a few of them couldnt even be around momma cause the would hit her lol. That being said, It isnt the lack of socialization or anything else it's simply the nature of a bulldog to do what it does. Your dog may get along fine with dogs for the rest of his life however I doubt it and wouldnt be suprised when your lovely little boy says enough's enough and possibly makes one of your other dogs look like something fresh out of a horror flick.

 

A lot of my questioning comes from the fact we were at obiedence school last week and one of the teachers brought out her malinois that she uses for french ring there and was showing the class what the dog can do. Well Batista flipped out. He had always been fine around all the other dogs but when the dog was barking and doing all the commands he was a completely different beast. The teacher told me that it is real common for any breed to act that way when a dog is being that intense but it worried me.

 

Legend doesnt like barking(he's not a barker) it turns him into "the hitman"(his eyes get red and he makes a high pitch screaming noise) which is followed by me saying "ignore it" and he stops. The barking, excitment of this dog and the fact that he's never met/seen the dog before could have caused the reaction in him.

 

I have no experience with gamebred dogs per se, but I'd imagine its the same as with my showbred dog. If your dog gets along with other dogs in your home, there's no reason he can't be around one with supervision. But don't leave them out together when you're not there, and be careful with triggers (toys, food bowls, etc.) Socialization is a help. It gives you a better idea of what to expect out of your dog. But always keep your eyes open just in case. Loki is well-socialized, and she got into it with a dog I'm watching over a bunch of tiny pieces of shredded tennis ball of all things.

So the short answer is yes, it can work out. Don't expect it to always work, and don't get complacent about things they could fight over, but if you use common bulldog sense, there's no reason it can't be all right.

 

Not always, it depends on the dog. My male hates all dogs, male AND female. The only dog he will tolerate is my small mix breed female. He hates my female pit bull. While it it is true that opposite sexes usually make a better match, it is not written in stone. Just keep a close eye on them, could be they always get along but never let your guard down. Sometimes there are signs that a dog is turning on, sometimes the first sign you see is a dog in our dog's mouth.

 

Its not the same as show bred dogs imagining it and actually experiencing it is two different things. Even when supervised its still very risky situation to put your self into especially if you are not an experienced dogman as you will not be prepared to know how to stop it its like a accident waiting to happen. Its ok if you socializing your own dogs together as if a accident does happen it wont matter but if your dog has a accident with someone elses dog you in deep shit lol.....

 

Iam glad you said ,, any dog ,, because thats the point, these kind of canides are fighters....to fight its an absolute normal thing for them. And the game bred dog.....well the game bred dog is the dog with wind,power,agility and gameness. If the game bred gets in trouble with a none game bred like a rottweiler(for example) .....you know what that means .But that doesnt mean that the game bred is more aggressive, maybe the rott attacked first and then the little friendly game bred killed the big aggressive dog.

 

ps I separate my males always wen I leave the house.....because the underdog would fight back if he had no other chance....

 

Unfortunately- there is absolutely, positively no warning sign you can count on. You have a dog who is genetically programmed -some more some less, but all have it- to be animal aggressive. It may or may not turn on at any time, but most likely will. Yeah there are age milestones to expect it in dogs relative to maturity, but you never ever know, a sweetie pie 6 year old may throw you for a loop. Socialization can never hurt, because it's always beneficial, but it carries little influence over the "bump heard round the world". That's all it takes. A bump, and it's on.

 

I didn't say showbred dogs, I said my showbred dog. The only reason I really mentioned it was because I didn't want anybody calling me out and saying "well you don't own gamebred dogs so STFU." LOL. I know they're not the same. But since my experience with showbred and even crappy BYB-bred dogs has been brutal and bloody at times, I knew the subject of Pit Bulls around other dogs was one I could relate to.

And Stlcardfan, yeah, males and females aren't immune to fighting each other. I've seen bitches in standing heat fight the males they were to be bred to.

As far as warning signs, it depends on the dog and the reason they're fighting. Loki gave Dutch ample warning before she started attacking her over triggers such as toys. On the other hand, the first really bad dog fight I had to break up was without warning. I was playing tug with mama dog and spinning her. At one point when she let go, one of her year-old daughters lit into her. Up until that point, there had been no signs of mounting aggression between them.

Do you have breaking sticks and know how to use them, just in case?

 

The fact of the matter is that the scope of the landscape has changed so to speak.
First off what is your definition of gameness? The desire and love of work is bred into a dog, and into the dog known as the Pit bull has been bred the INTENSE desire to accept any challenge and to desperately want to succeed at ANY task including but not limited to fighting, weight pulling etc. One word that may be used is "unyieldingness" -as Louis Colby liked to state.
Second off, in matters of dog-dog aggression you must look at specific traits that a specific dog has and how he was bred , as well as including the variables that you have NO control over.
Im just going to make the statement that if you were to take ANY persons strain if you took 100 dogs- maybe only 5 to 10 would be completely dead game. If you breed a game dog and a game bitch together you may or may not get game dogs.
Also remember this... there is absolutely nothing you can do to an individual after it is hatched, whelped or born to make it game. Anytime a dog wants to quit in a tested situation it will quit and there is nothing you can do to change its decision.
The unfortunate truth is that while most "well bred" Pit bulls keep there trustworthy behavior towards children, adults, and others dogs, THE ORIGINAL FORMULA TO BREED GAME, CALM , CONFIDENT dogs, has been replaced by those seeking to breed "barnstormers" or "fight crazy" dogs.
REMEMBER - these types of HIGHLY AGGRESSIVE, HYPER DOGS LOOK GAME TO A NOVICE OR UNEDUCATED but..................
...they are more often than not displaying agression due to some inner lack of confidence....
Just as a confident man doesnt feel the need to threaten or intimidate others, the CONFIDENT game dog is often the most RELAXED dog... He knows that he owns the ground he walks on.
Just dont try to take an inch of it.
My dog and I go for daily walks and in the course of 6.5 years have encountered one time only that he actually turned it on for fraction of a second... The other dog was off the lead and lose with no owner to be seen and he approached dead on with the bad idea to bite/attack my dog. The other dog showed his teeth, growled, then lunged at my dog, my dog hopped to the side and shot the fastest bite I had ever seen to this dogs neck...(my girlfriend didnt even see it and she was 4 feet away.)-the other dog stumbled a bit and turned immediately and then began to actually FOLLOW us submissively...my dog continued on as if NOTHING had just happened sniffing the roses...Dogs Bark/lunge at him all the time...HE DOESNT EVEN LOOK... although he does have numerous dog friends including a small poodle- I would NEVER leave him ALONE with ANY other DOG and or ESP. cats.
It is a recipe for sure disaster.
My point here is this... the temperment of the breed has been injured by those who breed for "flash" and not "depth"....
think about it...and be careful...know your animal...WELL!

 

I'll take a BYB mutt over a show dog anyday.
Besides what would the differences be anyway, both are bred poorly, one looks nice and one doesn't?