Mayfield on Hammonds

What I know is how ridiculous your statement is, that all our top breeders at the time sold you their best dogs. First of all, no one would be continuing in the dogs if they did that. And, to further implicate your delusion, Limey, as you conducted your whistle stop tour throughout the United States you could never have possibly really gotten to know these breeders in depth. At least, not deeply enough to pry their BEST dogs from their yards. I'm sorry for you, that you truly have held onto this delusion long enough to probably believe it yourself. But it just isn't true.
I'm not saying they didn't sell you promising dogs. I'm saying NO ONE sold you THEIR BEST DOG OR DOGS. That just isn't happening, nor did it.
If you were taken, and believe what whichever peddlers told you, I am sorry. You had money, and many told you what you wanted to hear.
The European continent has come a long way, and many have bought tremendous dogs. But that has nothing to do with your claim about rounding up all our top breeders' BEST DOGS on some whistle stop tour. That's a little too magical a story, as nearly every top breeder, among the ones I knew back then, were not about to sell you their top dogs. And other than some of those across the country who may have just out and out scammed you for your money, I knew more good breeders who would rather not sell you a dog in the first place, given most of you had no experience at all. And most of the ones I knew who would, would NEVER sell you their BEST DOG.
You want to argue this on levels beyond what I am saying you are wrong about. Fine, but none of it applies to the ONE THING I am saying you are wrong about. You bought some good dogs, and you bought a lot of promising dogs. No one is here to deny THAT. It's your statement that you stormed the United States and bought ALL our top breeders' BEST DOGS. Ludicrous and delusional. You must take many here as very vulnerable to bs, if you think for a minute most will believe such delusion. If it makes you feel better to believe your own delusion, that you whirlwinded the U.S. and garnered ALL our top breeders BEST DOGS at the time, and can't be content with the fact you did a good job getting promising dogs, good dogs, and have done a good job with them over the years, then so be it. Hang on to your ridiculous delusion instead of being proud of what many there actually did, and have accomplished. I think you rather demean others who have worked hard and made good groups of dogs for themselves there. But you adhere to your delusion. That's ok with me and I'm sure most here.

 

Limey, you're free wheeling with the insults about the U.S. People here are about a lot more than your "almighty dollar". For every peddler here, we have 20 times the number of "Top breeders" who would not sell you or anyone a dog, but rarely. I doubt your collective insults of U.S. dog men will be taken very affably here.
As to how many of your people came through our country and collected dogs, stayed with dog men, peddlers or whomever, you have stretched away from the ONE issue I brought to your attention AGAIN. I, and anyone in these dogs with any logic, sense, and experience would challenge your rash statement that YOU, or ANYONE ELSE from over there, bought or received ALL OF OUR TOP BREEDER"S BEST DOG OR DOGS. That issue is SINGULAR. It is the ONE issue I and most here would surely challenge your wild claim about. You keep trying to find ways to redirect this ONE, SOLE, SINGULAR issue. It is about that one wild and absurd claim that I suppose you have been delusional about long enough to think it could possibly be real or true. It just IS NOT. If you cannot stick to the one issue I and others surely would rightfully challenge you about, then please withdraw from your avoiding that issue with random and awry topics, and let others be free to see it's absurdity on their own.
I find it impossible to get through the smoke and your delusion, so there is no personal concern on my part but for that of pointing out the obvious bs in your particular statement that I wholeheartedly challenge, and fully believe most all others can see through it, as do I. To claim such an absurd accomplishment is to misinform and as I have already said, I know you there garnered some excellent dogs with promise and made good with them over the years. But your original claim that you all ransacked ALL of our top breeders' yards of their BEST DOGS is absolutely wild and delusional.
Insulting the bulk of our doggers and our integrity here will get you no credence whatsoever. It is not only false, it is classless and tasteless. You're dancing, and trying to divert from the one, single thing I and surely most others take issue with, by stretching it into things which have nothing to do with your one, ridiculous statement. Doesn't fly. Never will.

 

BULL, you not only veered away from my ONE POINT again, but as Cajun said, y'all were HERE getting dogs. It wasn't the other way around in the 70's and 80's. The fact that over a hundred years ago, we imported the original dogs from there, has NOTHING to do with the claim that ALL of our top breeders sold you ALL THEIR BEST DOGS. The point is that, and that alone. It's BS. Anyone with even half an intellect knows that to be absurd to its fullest.
Good post and point, Cajun.

 

BULL, I have no qualms with the way you restructured your point. Understand, I have said time and again that I know y'all garnered some good dogs, and over the years did a good job with them. That is another issue and point of discussion. I commend and have commended here, what some of you have done.
You have to realize that our top breeders weren't into 2 or 3 years tenure at that time. They were of 20,30, or even 40 years tenure with the dogs. To say they ALL sold THEIR BEST DOGS to a European invasion of money is absurd in statement altogether.
I have said that in the case whereby one may be getting totally out of the dogs (Retiring), then in that particular case, it could be possible. Not likely, given the friends most accomplished breeders have near them, but possible. Other than that, to sell ones best dogs after that many years of building, hard work and dedication in order to have those dogs, it would be end of the line for them without question.
I challenged, and maintain the challenge, as most any thinking person here would, that ALL our top breeders sold THEIR BEST DOG OR DOGS to any visiting throng of money wavers. It's just not going to happen and did not in that context. Good dogs? Promising dogs? Yes. But not what was claimed in this thread. Not ALL of them, and ALL THEIR BEST DOGS. Not realistic, not true. Never would or could happen as claimed.
That would be, and is, absurd, and obviously so for all the many reasons that come to mind for nearly anyone.
As you said: Would you sell your best dog? No. And neither would anyone who has worked 2/3 of their life to achieve and hold dear what they have created and accomplished over that long time. And sure as hell not ALL of them to say the least.
Not everything has a sticker price. Not everything here is for sale. Perhaps too much is at times, but NOT EVERYTHING and certainly not from EVERYONE. Especially the lot of individuals about whom the errant claim was made.
As I said, I have no qualms with a couple of points you made in your latest post. Only the one errant and impossible claim made in one post, by another. And as far as the video and the statements made in it, and of those who post regarding them, it isn't for me to judge either man, nor the comments about them in the posts. I knew one and know the other, yet it is not for me to muffle anyone else's opinion whether educated, first-hand, or other.
I don't want to have to keep reiterating the one claim my posts challenge, and I know nearly all others feel and know the same about as do I. I think we should move back to the original thread subject.