MMA,Mixed Martial Arts, Wrestling lets have your theory.

Um no it's not. I've seen people knocked out with 16oz gloves in sparring with headgear on.

 

And if that was the case then a boxer is going to be even more dangerous as far as punch strikes

 

Theres a couple ex champs and a small wake of battered amateurs that would disagree but ok.

 

Anyone check out Fightworld on netflix? I haven’t finished it yet, but this American actor visits usually impoverished communities around the world which are centered around a specific fight culture - Mexico, Thailand etc.

 

Tiny but mighty: Shortest heavyweight champions ever

TOMMY BURNS

Height: 5-7
Active: 1902-20
Record: 47-4-8 (35 KOs)
Reign(s): 1906-08
Background: What Burns lacked in height he made up for with quickness and pluck. The French-Canadian, whose real name was Noah Brusso, defeated bigger men by moving inside to inflict damage and then getting out quickly to avoid it. That’s how he beat the sub-6-foot, but heavier Marvin Hart to win the heavyweight title by decision in 1906 in Los Angeles. Burns made several defenses and then took his championship belt on a successful world tour, finishing his title run with eight consecutive knockouts. Disaster loomed, though. Following him on much of that tour was Jack Johnson, whose goal was to lure Burns into the ring. Johnson finally convinced Burns to fight him on Dec. 26, 1908 in Sydney. A $30,000 payday for Burns, the most ever earned by a boxer to that point, made it impossible to say no. Police halted Johnson’s slaughter of Burns, who officially lost a decision. He still has the distinction of being the shortest heavyweight champion.

MIKE TYSON

Height: 5-10
Active: 1985-2005
Record: 50-6, 44 KOs
Reign(s): 1986-90; 1996
Background: One amazing aspect of Iron Mike’s success was that he was dwarfed by most of his opponents. That certainly didn’t stop him from riding roughshod through the heavyweight division in the 1980s, as the quick-handed, oh-so-powerful wrecking machine stopped one opponent after another to capture the imagination of the world. The 20-year-old phenomenon was 27-0 (25 KOs) when he stopped Trevor Berbick in less than two rounds to become the youngest ever to win the heavyweight championship. Tyson’s reign wasn’t long. He was only 23 when Buster Douglas shocked him and the world by stopping the seemingly unbeatable force of nature in 10 rounds in 1990. Tyson was never the same. He went to prison after he was convicted of rape, returned to become a title holder for a short time, gnawed off a portion of Evander Holyfield’s ear and then declined rapidly. No one will forget what he accomplished or the excitement he generated.

JOHN L. SULLIVAN

Height: 5-10½
Active: 1879-92
Record: 38-1-1, 32 KOs
Reign(s): 1888-92
Background: The Boston Strong Boy has evolved into a legend but he was a flesh-and-blood person. Those who were pummeled by him would tell you that if they were alive. Sullivan wasn’t tall but he was a thick, strong 190 pounds. And while he wasn’t the most-skillful boxer by today’s standards, his use of brute force was effective. Indeed, as the story goes, he boasted, “I can lick any sonofabitch in the house.” And, by God, he could. He started the chain of lineal heavyweight champions in the late 1880s, the exact opponent and date being up for debate. What’s not in doubt was the night he lost his championship. Sullivan agreed to defend his title against James J. Corbett on Sept. 7, 1992 in New Orleans. Corbett was a newfangled sort of fighter, a boxer who relied as much on guile as strength. Sullivan simply didn’t have the tools to compete with such a technician and was stopped in 21 rounds. He never fought again.

ROCKY MARCIANO

Height: 5-10½
Active: 1947-55
Record: 49-0, 43 KOs
Reign(s): 1952-55
Background: Marciano had only an 8½-year career but he sure made a strong impression. The Brockton Blockbuster was known for his uncommon conditioning, resilience and power in spite of his short stature. He fought as light as 178 pounds – which is unthinkable for a heavyweight today – but many of his opponents weren’t much heavier. He had a reach of only 68 inches, one more than Manny Pacquiao. Still, Marciano pounded his way through the heavyweight division and into title contention by the end of the 1940s, which was a quick ascent given that he turned pro in 1947 after learning to box in the Army. He received a shot at heavyweight champion Jersey Joe Walcott in 1952. And he almost blew it. He was behind on points when he landed arguably the biggest punch ever, a right to the jaw that put Walcott to sleep and gave Marciano the belt. He successfully defended six times and then walked away, never having tasted defeat.

ROY JONES JR.

Height: 5-11
Active: 1989-2018
Record: 66-9, 47 KOs
Reign(s): 2003-04
Background: The supremely gifted Roy Jones Jr. was untouchable between 1989 and 2003, having dominated virtually every opponent he faced between 160 and 175 pounds. He suffered his only loss during that period to Montell Griffin when he was DQ’d for landing a punch while Griffin was down and later avenged the setback. Jones wanted to do something even more extraordinary. And he did, challenging John Ruiz for his heavyweight title on March 1, 2003 in Las Vegas. It wasn’t close. Jones, who methodically bulked up to 193 pounds but retained plenty of his speed, gave the gritty, but limited Ruiz a boxing lesson to win a wide decision and claim a major belt. Jones might’ve paid a price for his triumph. Many speculate that the weight gain and subsequent weight loss so he could fight again at 175 ruined his body. He was stopped by Antonio Tarver two fights later and was never quite the same. But he’ll always have that heavyweight belt.

BOB FITZSIMMONS

Height: 5-11½
Active: 1885-1909; 1914
Record: 61-8-4, 57 KOs
Reign(s): 1897-99
Background: Fitzsimmons was one of the more unusual characters – and one of the best fighters – of his era. The English-born, New Zealand-raised blacksmith built a powerful upper body by pounding an anvil but had spindly legs, giving him an unusual appearance. He must’ve been a frightening sight for his opponents. Fitzsimmons became middleweight champ when he stopped the original Jack “Nonpareil” Dempsey in 1891 but soon began his pursuit of boxing’s biggest prize, the heavyweight title. He got his shot in 1897, when champion James J. Corbett agreed to defend against the 34-year-old in Carson City, Nevada. Corbett, who had a 17-pound advantage, was winning the fight when Fitzsimmons put Corbett down with his patented solar plexus punch and the champ couldn’t recover. Fitzsimmons lost his title to James J. Jeffries but wasn’t finished. He outpointed George Gardner at 40 in 1903 to win the light heavyweight title, thus becoming the first three-division champion.

MARVIN HART


Height: 5-11½
Active: 1899-1910
Record: 28-7-4 (20 KOs)
Reign(s): 1905-06
Background: Hart benefited from having friends in high places. James J. Jeffries, who had recently retired as heavyweight champion, decided that Hart and Jack Root would fight for the vacant title in 1905 in Reno, Nevada — with Jeffries acting as referee — and the powers that be bought into it. Hart went down in Round 7 but rebounded to put Root down with a body shot in Round 12 and he couldn’t recover, making Hart champion. Jeffries, unhappy with the perception that he was a kingmaker, labeled Hart, in effect, an early “interim” champion who was required to prove his worthiness. He failed. In his first defense, the following year in Los Angeles, diminutive Tommy Burns, 17½ pounds lighter than Hart, outpointed him to take the title. Hart’s claim on the heavyweight title might’ve been controversial but, for the record, he had a number of quality victories. Among his victims? The great Jack Johnson.

JOE FRAZIER


Height: 5-11½
Active: 1965-76; 1981
Record: 32-4-1 (27 KOs)
Reign(s): 1968-73
Background: Frazier was a bobbing, weaving ball of energy with a left hook that could topple a building. And he was Muhammad Ali’s greatest nemesis. Frazier first made news by winning the 1964 Olympic gold medal. He then went on a tear through the heavyweight division, stopping one opponent after another to earn a shot at the title after Ali was stripped for refusing induction into the U.S. Armed Forces. He stopped the hulking Buster Mathis to win the New York version of the championship in 1968 and unified by KO’ing WBA titleholder Jimmy Ellis in 1970. Ali then returned, setting up one of the great trilogies in history. Frazier outpointed Ali in “The Fight of the Century” in 1971 before losing his title when he was stopped by George Foreman. He wasn’t through. He lost in two subsequent fights to Ali – including the “Thrilla in Manila,” arguably the greatest fight ever – but gave Ali hell both times. Smokin’ Joe was a beast.

GENE TUNNEY

Height: 6-0
Active: 1915-28
Record: 65-1-1 (48 KOs)
Reign(s): 1926-28
Background: Tunney is one of the more underappreciated fighters in history, perhaps in part because of his decision to retire as champion after a short reign at only 30 years old. “The Fighting Marine” was a superb technical boxer who also had knockout power, as his 48 stoppages indicate. His only loss came at light heavyweight against the great Harry Greb, who went 1-3-1 in five fights with Tunney. Tunney famously won the heavyweight title by easily outpointing the less-polished legend Jack Dempsey in 1926. The rematch was labeled “The Long Count Fight,” in which Dempsey put Tunney down and hurt him but forgot the new rule requiring him to retreat to a neutral corner. The time it took the referee to get Dempsey to comply gave Tunney time to recover. He ended up winning another one-sided decision to retain his title. Tunney fought once more and then walked away from boxing and ultimately into the Hall of Fame.

JERSEY JOE WALCOTT


Height: 6-0
Active: 1930-53
Record: 50-20-1 (31 KOs)
Reign(s): 1951-52
Background: Walcott, born Arnold Cream, had mixed results and few significant opportunities most of his career in part because of the color of his skin. Then, as World War II was coming to a close, his career began to take off. Jersey Joe, an excellent defensive fighter with pop in his punches, rode a streak of success to a shot at Joe Louis’ heavyweight title in 1947. Walcott gave the performance of his life, putting the great Louis down twice and seemingly doing enough to win the title. However, two of the three judges didn’t see it that way. He got a second chance six months later and again took a lead on the cards. Only this time Louis, who had tremendous power, stopped Walcott in Round 11. Walcott lost to Ezzard Charles for the title vacated by Louis in his next fight and again in second shot at the title but never gave up. He finally beat Charles by a seventh-round KO to win the heavyweight crown in 1951 at the advanced age of 37. Walcott remains a model of persistence.

EZZARD CHARLES

Height: 6-0
Active: 1940-59
Record: 95-25-1 (52 KOs)
Reign(s): 1949-51
Background: Charles was one of the best fighters ever pound-for-pound. The “Cincinnati Cobra” started as a middleweight and then became one of the greatest light heavyweights of all time, even though he never fought for the title. During that period, he went 5-0 against Joey Maxim, 3-0 against Archie Moore and 2-0 against Charley Burley, which historians will tell you is remarkable. Still, he would find his greatest fame as a heavyweight. He was virtually untouchable against big men by the time he fought Jersey Joe Walcott in 1949 for the title that Joe Louis had vacated. Charles won a clear decision to become champion, after which he successfully defended eight times. That included victories over a comebacking Louis and Walcott again. Walcott finally beat him in their third meeting, in 1951, to win the title. Charles had three opportunities to regain his belt but lost again to Walcott and twice to Rocky Marciano. He faded after that but remains a legend.

FLOYD PATTERSON

Height: 6-0
Active: 1952-72
Record: 55-8-1 (40 KOs)
Reign(s): 1956-59; 1960-62
Background: Patterson won the middleweight gold medal in the 1952 Olympics and started his pro career in the mid-160s, which gives you an idea of his natural size. Still, Patterson had a successful, two-reign career as a heavyweight. Slick and extremely quick for a heavyweight, he stopped Archie Moore in 1956 to win the title vacated by Rocky Marciano. He successfully defended four times before he was upset by Swede Ingemar Johansson in 1959, going down an embarrassing seven times in the third round before the fight was stopped. Patterson then became the first to regain the title by stopping Johansson in six rounds the following year and then doing it again in 1961. He then ran out of luck and into the bigger, stronger Sonny Liston, who annihilated him inside one round in back-to-back fights. Patterson hung around until the early 1970s but never again reached great heights.

 

James J. Corbett on Sept. 7, 1992 in New Orleans. must be 1892

 

A boxer with no wrestling experience is not going to keep a wrestler off of him and not gonna be able to stay on the feet or be able to plant and punch as they normally would. Six months of wrestling it’s a different story for that same boxer.

 

no, he won't, purely because boxing stance does not work in mma.

 

That's if the wrestler does so without getting KOed first. But the reality is I've seen plenty MMA matches that look like a boxing match but with no good boxing skills involved.

 

because boxing does not work in Emma, you cant constantly defend your head with massive 10 oz gloves, you cant rely on protecting your torso too much either.
boxers have no place in mma ring other than being training dummies.

 

Mostly all the striking disciplines use the same basic stance. They're all variations of the same principles. Balance, agility and harnessing power from the ground up

 

Look I love all combat sports but I see 2 kinds of MMA guys.
1 has mastered or at least has a good grasp of at least one of the disciplines and wants to build on that.
Then theres the guys that aren't good at any discipline let alone mastered any. And so they they'll just choose mma cause they think they tuff or what ever.
It's like the guy you square off with and after catching him with a couple punches he realizes he cant throw hands and tries to grab

 

and boxing has a very specific stance that works in conjunction with huge gloves. why do you think bare knuckle boxers held their arms lower and relied on blocking primarily with forearms?

 

Cause they couldnt actually box that good. Last time. Gloves have nothing to do with boxing technique.
You barely wear gloves during most traing. And when someone first learns boxing they hardly ever have gloves on. Gloves are for hitting bags and pads and sparring as far as training goes.
You do not where gloves to learn your stance nor while learning to throw proper punches nor footwork.

 

gloves mean everything as far as guarding and absorbing blows goes. to deny that is to know jack shit about boxing, which you clearly do.
boxing existed as far back as ancient Greece, the stance changed to accommodate gloves and less clinching

 

No disagreement there!

 

This is a pretty moot conversation though because we do have mixed martial arts and we could see who the best fighters in the world are. Under mix martial arts Rules no boxer has a chance and clearly under boxing rule set against top guys no MMA fighter has a chance as Floyd proved, he got off the couch and beat Connor McGregor’s ass. From experience I have beat up a few MMA champions when we were thai boxing. Those same guys would fuck me up if we had added wrestling or been sparring mma rules.

 

You've never seen boxers in the MMA but you have seen mma contest won with half ass boxing skill

 

James Tony Art Jimerson. Those are two. How did it end? Both got taken down one got submitted with no submission By somebody who is not even top five in his own family.