Old game Bred Bull terriers

Have you ever owned an EBT and seen the bite force whilst hunting? Or is this just 2nd hand information from others?

 

Both. The one pure one I had was very hard mouth but worthless in terms of athletic ability. Could not hunt worth a damn, was dumb, and horrible wind. But he could bite for sure. the quarter bull dog I have now also has a good bite for her puny head, but I don't use her for anything. Still trying to find a good home actually :/ can't work her so it's not fair to keep her.


It is my personal opinion that an ebt from a working background can pack some reasonable power behind its bite. I'll say no more than that. I agree with the previous post that even with a strong set of jaws, the dog needs the body to back it up. Which many if not most ebt lack…

 

I've had five pure bull terriers (still got one) and three bull terrier x Aussie cattle dogs. I pigged with three of the bullies and all the BTxHeelers in the mid-late 80s. They can bite and they can hold. Aussie boars grow as big as anywhere else in the world, and bullies have always been used as catchers/holders/luggers - and still are (see previous photo posted). They founded the bull arab (50% EBT) in the 70s, but even before that were crossed with cattle dogs, greyhounds and other hunting breeds to combine mouth and leg. They were also used to give mouth to Australian cattle dogs when they were first bred 100 years ago, and the recombination of genes is probably what makes the bully-heeler cross work so well. Ask any Aussie and they will tell you it's hard to beat a bully-heeler cross as a good alround dog (brawn and brains with the health, hardiness and stamina of the heeler).

You could argue bull terriers were all we had in Australia at the time (though there is a long history of working them here), but a better question is why they used bull terriers to breed the dogo when clearly Argentia had access to APBTs and were not part of the British Empire. Maybe for the same reason we use/d them in Australia - they do the job and can get along with other dogs. Then again, so can a properly socialised APBT.

Loads of videos of bull arabs in the bush if you look - some a bit more EBT looking than others.

7-month bull arab on a pig:
8-month bull arab on a pig:
Interesting mix of bull arabs and APBTs; also gives an idea of the size of pigs up here:

Not Oz, but a bully being trained on pigs in the US:

If we're talking in terms of pure biomechanics and bite force - isolated from sawing/shaking/working a hold - the bull terrier has a strong bite. I've done sleeve work with them and they are up there with working-line shepherds and mals - though not rottweilers. They're better than some shepherds - which can sometimes be chewy and not take a full grip - as most bullies will bite and hold. The biggest challenge is getting them to "Aus!" and not to worry the sleeve unless the decoy actively resists.

We've worked a couple of APBT's and plenty of staffies on the sleeve and I wouldn't say they bite any harder than some of the good bullies of similar size. Bullies tend to have a slightly sharper bite due to the extra leverage and narrower canines than APBT/staffies, which have more of a crushing bite, similar to a rotty. That makes sense if you look at them.

Unfortunately, as I mentioned some pages ago, show breeders have been breeding bullies with top-shot parrot heads and weak, narrow underjaws, so it's not as common to find good, square-headed bullies with a hard, crushing bite any more.

 

Bull arabs







http://www.klement.com.au/bullarab/history.html

 

You talk about the Dogo, but theres better, harder dogs over here in the UK and it's a cross that's regularly seen all over the country by crossing the APBT with a Greyhound. The first cross would do everything a Dogo could and more.

So why don't serious dogmen prefer to use the Bull Terrier over the APBT???

 

Also wasn't the Dogo created from using the Cordoba Fighting Dog?? A supposed extinct animal that was fight crazy and game to the core?? If that's true then don't you think it's this breed that made the Dogo what it is??

Regarding the Dogo, from what I've seen of them as Hog Dogs, the American Bulldog is better.

I've also seen a few matches between Do Dogo's and Bulldogs and they do alright but that's because of the massive size advantage, think I've seen one beat a Bulldog.

 

The Córdoba was nothing like that. More like a slightly dog aggressive came corso. They used ebt for the color and lack of dog aggression. They always have to work in a pack.

 

I don't believe the myth around that breed either, the APBT has always been the best fighting dog..

Like I said, a good Bull x Greyhound would be more than a match for the Dogo. EBT was trying to boast why the Argentinians used the Bull Terrier instead of the Bulldog. Well I'll tell you something, it wasn't to add something to the mix that the APBT wouldn't bring.....

 

I know a guy well that breeds Dogos and as far as I am concerned they are best catch dog/kill dog in the world. He takes his to Texas and Mexico and goes in boar catching competitions and does well. They are a very good all around dog.

 

True about the bull greyhound cross best running dog for teeth there is.

 

Bully greys - precursor to the bull arab and another staple boar dog in Australia.

 

And another Aussie bully grey (EBT x greyhound)

 

I love the look of the Bull x Greyhound. There's a guy round the corner who has an all white one looks like a racier version of a dogo.

They are very popular in the UK but there really isn't much legal quarry of size that a lurcher can't handle.

Good all round dog just a bit over kill for rabbits and rats. Get caught with scarred up lurchers and terriers and they can take them off you for animal fighting. Badger and fox are protected by law unless you get a permit.

 

Well that's where my experience with Bulldogs comes to play, we've used them for crossing with Greyhounds for certain quarry with teeth and bigger animals.

I've always preferred a good 1st cross, they might lack an extra gear like the 3/4 but they make up for it with determination.

 

I'm not going to get into it but they are still used regularly over here but that's a different subject.

 

Yeah I know they are used a fair bit still. Plenty of UK hunting forums and groups where people post their bull lurchers and their catches. Just not much quarry around here that would keep a working dog like that busy, not enough for me to justify having one just as a pet. I do like them though.

 

It brought stability and mouth. As well as some hardness, by without the dog aggression. And the creators of the dogo wanted WHITE dogs. Simple as that really.

Pfft. They are less game than apbt, less fast than a bull grey, and weaker than most bandogs. TBH it's each to their own for catch dogs as almost anything has and will be used.

 

The APBT wouldn't have brought mouth with along with extra drive and stamina.

Like I said I've seen better American Bulldog's on hogs than I have Dogo's.

 

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always preferred the 3/4 if long ears are on the list it can't kill if it don't catch.

 

Better dogs than a Bull cross if it's Hare's you are after.