Things that make our breed look BAD

This thread is for people to discuss all the things which contribute to creating a negative stereotype for our dogs. This thread is to also discuss how we as a group or individual can possibly change some of these things.

First lets just say DMX is not a role model nor a spokesperson for our breed and should not be.

Back Yard Breeders are another major plague that we face.

Who else misrepresents our breeds and what can we do to put a stop to it???

 

How about registries?

 

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Dmx, wanna be's, A.K.A..(Thugs and Thugettes), lol, Also those who want for the $$$$, size and Color such as "Big Bule Pit's for $1500" Which I know this some what falls under BYB,

Also this A$$H*!#

Man's Best Defense
Tyler Eison turns pit bull pups into deadly weapons
by David Shaftel
August 23rd, 2005 11:33 AM

Tough puppy love: Eison with his recruits
photo: Matthew Salacuse
"These are not normal dogs," says Tyler Eison, gazing reverently at a litter of seven-week-old pit bull puppies. "I like having very vicious, angry dogs. I'm going to teach them not to like other dogs. I'm going to agitate them, make them aggressive. That way when it's about business, they are going to be serious."

As a real estate investor and auto dealer, Eison, 41, values aggression in his dogs for protecting both himself and his property. "My dogs are my pistols," he says, cracking a gold-tooth smile. "I have my dogs on my property, and I have faith in them. If they're coming at you, you have to shoot them to kill them."

Tough people want tough dogs, but if you want a truly vicious dog you have to create it yourself. With his latest litter of three girls and a boy, Eison is trying to re-create a bloodline of fighting dogs he owned 20 years ago (though he insists his fighting days are long over). He's making a stud dog out of his prized companion Rock, an eerily silent pit bull with a golden brown coat and pink nose. Rock's first litter was born in early May, and Eison watched its progress daily to see which of the puppies would develop more of their father's traits.

Eison kennels the pups in a fenced-in corner of his backyard, in a quiet neighborhood of single-family homes in St. Albans, Queens. When the dogs get older, he'll move them to another house nearby, where his wife and stepchildren live, and where he keeps his adult dogs—a Cane Corso and three pit bulls—in large pens out back. He has three more dogs, two Cane Corsos and a Rottweiler, at friends' houses.

Hoping to turn Rock's offspring into deadly weapons, Eison started antagonizing them when they were around nine weeks old. One afternoon he held an all-brown puppy by its midsection and for several minutes forced it to lie across the neck of one its sisters, who Eison believes might be the pick of the litter. Eison didn't think the brown pup was willing enough to play rough, so he decided to force it into a scrum. After a minute or so, its sister became angry and began to growl and bite the brown one's ears. After the incident the brown puppy cowered under a metallic-blue racing motorcycle Eison keeps in the backyard and peed.

Eison's love for pit bulls goes back to his childhood. At nine years old, he was spending the night at his grandparents' house when a heater caught fire. Eison was asleep on the couch; the family's pit bull mix nipped him on the leg until he woke up and roused his grandparents, saving their lives. The dog had been feral, Eison says, but people in the neighborhood paid top dollar for her puppies.

Ten years later, in the late '80s, Eison's car was rear-ended. An argument erupted as two men leapt out of the other car. One of them said he was going to get something out of his trunk. Eison guessed this something was a gun, so he wasted no time in loosing Conan on him. "I wasn't going to let him kill me, so my dog took care of him," he remembers. "I sicced my dog on that guy, man, and beat the other one up myself. I had no choice."

Eison's belief that his dogs offer essential protection in his sometimes rough neighborhood was only reinforced last month when his stepson Glen Moore, 22, was hit in the head with a baseball bat in Howard Beach, in what authorities are calling a bias crime. The attack, says Eison, never would have happened if Moore had had one of the dogs with him.

Basically purebred mutts, pit bulls were developed from the crossbreeding of bull- and bear-baiting dogs with terriers used in rat-baiting competitions. The result was a canine with the tremendous jaw pressure of a bulldog and the athleticism and ferocity of a terrier, which kills its prey by grabbing it in its mouth and whipping it from side to side. With his bloodline, Eison is trying to emphasize the violence of a terrier's bite, while losing nothing of a pit bull's agility and intelligence. He has mated Rock with an all-white English bull terrier named Lady. The result, he hopes, will be dogs of 45 to 50 pounds that can more than hold their own against dogs twice their size. He'll mate the best female of this first litter with her father. This inbreeding—called linebreeding—will help Eison isolate the traits he seeks.



Studies have suggested that pit bulls are not inherently dangerous. In evaluations by the American Temperament Testing Society, the pit bull passed at a rate of 83.4 percent, just below the beloved golden retriever and 4.5 points higher than the collie. That said, the city's shelters reported that almost 6,000 bull breeds (pit bulls and pit bull mixes) were admitted in the last fiscal year. Though they represent 37 percent of all dogs in city shelters, bull breeds accounted for almost half of the 7,136 dogs euthanized in shelters last year. Pit bulls are routinely adopted, but shelter officials say a disproportionate number can't be because they haven't been socialized properly. Some have spent their whole lives in cages.
&len Moore, 22, was hit in the head with a baseball bat in Howard Beach, in what authorities are calling a bias crime. The attack, says Eison, never would have happened if Moore had had one of the dogs with him.

Basically purebred mutts, pit bulls were developed from the crossbreeding of bull- and bear-baiting dogs with terriers used in rat-baiting competitions. The result was a canine with the tremendous jaw pressure of a bulldog and the athleticism and ferocity of a terrier, which kills its prey by grabbing it in its mouth and whipping it from side to side. With his bloodline, Eison is trying to emphasize the violence of a terrier's bite, while losing nothing of a pit bull's agility and intelligence. He has mated Rock with an all-white English bull terrier named Lady. The result, he hopes, will be dogs of 45 to 50 pounds that can more than hold their own against dogs twice their size. He'll mate the best female of this first litter with her father. This inbreeding—called linebreeding—will help Eison isolate the traits he seeks.



Studies have suggested that pit bulls are not inherently dangerous. In evaluations by the American Temperament Testing Society, the pit bull passed at a rate of 83.4 percent, just below the beloved golden retriever and 4.5 points higher than the collie. That said, the city's shelters reported that almost 6,000 bull breeds (pit bulls and pit bull mixes) were admitted in the last fiscal year. Though they represent 37 percent of all dogs in city shelters, bull breeds accounted for almost half of the 7,136 dogs euthanized in shelters last year. Pit bulls are routinely adopted, but shelter officials say a disproportionate number can't be because they haven't been socialized properly. Some have spent their whole lives in cages.

Ed Boks, the director of New York City Animal Care & Control, says the blame for pit bulls' negative image is shared equally by the press—which is fascinated by pit bull attacks—and breeders who take advantage of the dogs. "Pit bulls are actually a rather stable breed," says Boks. "The thing about pit bulls is that they are stuck with this bad reputation. They are extraordinarily loyal and loving animals and they will fight to the death just to please you."

At two months old, Eison's puppies are more concerned with fighting their way out of the old paint bucket he is bathing them in. "All of these dogs have good tempers," Eison says over the sound of splashing water and the din of the LIRR train speeding past his backyard on elevated tracks. "These dogs were born to fight, but they have the potential to be the sweetest dogs. This one is just like his dad—he's one of the most playful dogs, but when it comes down to business, he'll get down."

Unlike his father, though, the puppy hates baths. When he's freed from Eison's soapy clutches he chases his sisters, wrestling with them in the muddy corners of the yard, swiftly undoing Eison's efforts to keep them clean. He establishes a dominant position so his sisters can't flee and bites on their ears, eliciting hoarse, juvenile yelps and showing signs of what he might one day be capable of.

After Eison bathes them, he force-feeds his dogs a deworming solution. The puppies stagger around coughing and trying to spit up, as Eison tries to keep track of which ones he has given the medicine to. Next he cleans their pen, refills their water buckets, and gives them fresh food. As he works, the puppies try to enter the house through a screen door with a broken latch and force their way into Eison's recently scrubbed back porch, from there into his meticulously kept two-story house. When he opens the door to expel one puppy, two more charge in. They will never be allowed to stay inside, just as they will never be taught to roll over or give him a high five or fetch his slippers.
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people who try to "train" our dogs to be "protectors" and guardians of their property by not socializing them with other humans! that one pisses me off.

 

I agree with you on that MARTY. CKC will let you reg a dog with just 3 or 4 photos. Front, left and right side, and rear for $25. A guy i work with just papers for his dog this way. Thats bull sh**! You should have to prove the background of you dog before you can reg. Thats how all these BYBs are getting papers for their dogs that they call "purebreds".

 

yes this man would go under BYB and scum bag in my book and marty may be right that registries do not exactly help our breed. What can be done to stop some of these things?

BSL doesnt work.... we know that.
How about having to attend a class and get a liscense to own pets like you do for your car. People would have to take time out of their schedule to attend the class before they just impulse bought some puppy from the guy down the block. A class that taught the downfalls of BYB and educated people about the breed of dog they were interested in. your pets would be chipped with your liscense number and thereby would be traceable to you should anything happen to or with them.

 

Exactly...But the thing is how do you get rid of ALL those guys down the block..(BYB), There are so many of them and I am not just talkin about our breed...There should be licence's I beleive with any dog you own, I read some where that people are using Cocker Spaniels and fighting them called cock fighting....Has anyone esle heard of this one??

 

The Internet

 

The Internet??

 

This is an idea I Have hear before, and I really like it. Its realistic and possible, might cost a little and take some time to coordinate, but this is a venture I think many respectable and responsible owners would back.


Things tha tmake our breed look bad:

Idiots who try to be teachers, spreading myths and rumors under the guise of educating the masses. I hate that.

Every moron with 2 dogs thinking they are a kennel.

lazy owners, who dont take the time to train/ socialize a dog.

irresponsible owners who dont properly restrain/ contain thier animals.

I 2nd the vote for people who think this is a guardian breed, and use moronic tactics to get the "protector" out of them. feeding them gunpowder, red peppers, having strangers beat them to illicit suspicion and aggression, antagonizing and praising aggressive behavior, etc.

Money hungry "breeders" selling to whoever has the cash, breeding on every heat and with little regard for what is coming out in the end as long as it can be sold.

There is a lot of things we can complain about, but the second part of this discussion is where I am curious... what can WE do to stop it?

 

Amen to that rocksteady

 

Rocksteady said the major one that is tearing down the breed. And another thing that really helps give our breed a bad name is that damn animal cops show. Everytime the show comes on there they start off by saying something about a vicious pitbulls. And even had a speacial episode on pit bulls which made them look like they were the worst things walking on this earth.

 

puppy pedlers!!! Esp. the "breeders" that sell scatterbred english bulldog lookin' blues...
people that buy these dogs as a status symbol, to look "bad". I have a friend that has a fat 90 pound brindle monster, cropped ears, HUGE chain collar, spike vest, bla bla bla he lets this beast pull him down the street growling and barking at everything as he goes, to him this is "cool". He made this dog human aggressive... im just waiting for it to become a headline... ive tried MANY times to tell him what hes doing is wrong, but my advise was told to deaf ears.

 

People who use this breed to give them an ego boost and give them a bad a$$ image.

 

that article makes my blood boil....

 

If people would stop breeding the breed and selling them to idiots! I mean its not hard to ask hopeful buyers/owners what their intentions are for the dog...

(1) my friend who owns a Lhasa Apso was walking her dog when she noticed 2 guys walking a head of her coming in her direction when she heard one of the guys yell out " I should go get my pitbull so he can eat that little dog"

People like this REALLY tick me off and ruin it for people like us on this board!

Sorry I don't mean to come off like I'm crazy, but that just ticked me off... That guy is lucky I wasn't walking my dog that day!

 

Oh, And Dont Forget Our "friends". The Journalists / Reporters (aka Liars)

 

Just constant new about them, good or bad. and pictures like these.
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being active in our community and stopping activities like the ones described above when we can. Minding our own business can and will be our downfall.

 

Now that I agree with.

but the places in society that the activities are the worst are also the ones where minding your own business is a way of life. In urdan areas people who do know are scared to talk, its likely that the dogfighter up the block is also the suspected murderer or accomplice or drug dealer or whatever. Keeping quiet is detrimental but as ingrained in some people minds its like looking both ways before crossing the street.