What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Dog looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

Asking this as i see these new Rotty colored dogs and the color patern is what is from a rotty are they rotty crosses ??

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

It's a color/pattern and yes it's found in the APBT look at some of the sorrells dogs it may not be as common in our breed but it exists non the less. I like the black and tan point tri colored Apbts very pretty. Although I have never seen a blue tri Apbt but you seem to see plenty bullies and UKC show dogs in that color/pattern. I know AKC staffs can be tri colored but have a hard time winning in the show ring some judges are biased about that color pattern.

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

i have hounds that come down from this dog right here.....hence the name...lol http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=254163

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

Lol nice Nf

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

Yes because they look like a rotty..They are throwing that from the family tree ..maybe it will be the next fad..like the blue Razors edge what ever they are dogs

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

It's been a fad for awhile with those dogs the bullies are all over that blue and champagne tri colored dogs are the new blue as far as marketing goes. But it will never be a fad or trend with working stock as our dogs are not bred for fancy colors. How the tri colored pattern got into the Apbt gene pools I have no idea but I do know it exists ...

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

Fuck what everybody says they are Rottweiler mixes.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=309003

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=219743

No these are not our dogs lol

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

There is nothing new or rare about the color pattern it originated with the original crosses used to form what we today call the APBT.

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

I see the papers and what they say ..but those are papers I was in it against Sorrells twice ,and they did not look like these colored dogs My pie face ,and my catch weight Corvino so i was there to the touch of the real Sorrells My dogs won , but his never ever gave a hint of a stop they just would go ...I would say some ones got over the fence but i don't see how ..when I breed my bitch she had to be racked and muzzled If I brought something from outside ...In honesty I have been away from the game for many years so thats alot of breeding cycles I know.. but I look at the pics of what some look like and I say whats that??So I'm just going to say it The Razors edge should never even be papered as pit and the Rottty faced are Rotty mix

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

some say the colour stems from the origional black n tan terrier used in the crosses. also it is not unheard of having a black n tan English bulldog. though the show fraternity frown upon them .

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

Rottweilers have only been around a few hundred years, maybe they got their colour pattern from some old Dutch/German pitbull line, hahaha

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

Well Ronald Roscoe, you are an idiot -plain and simple. Don't care what kind of match reports you drop on yourself (on this only further solidifies my earlier point, that you are an idiot)
Black and tan, and trial colored dogs have been around since long, long before sorrel's was a wee twinkle in his dad's eye...they were around in the early 1900's

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

This post makes me want to high five you.

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

Also Colby had them YEARS ago. And has not had any for many years.



Colby dog from the early 1900

Mr Colby started breeding pitbulls around the 1890's with dogs from England and Ireland he bred/owned around 7 tri color pitbull dogs in his lifetime that we know of out of the 100 years of the Colby familys pitbull breeding program.

Mr Colby said it was his favorite color pitbull and they most often have the finest coats.

In the 1920's the colbys owned a tri color named Mack that was a black and tan with white socks and a white line down his face.

In 1963 the Colby's Demo a UKC registered red tri colored male who was kept in Newburyport by john o'donnell who ran a restaurant there.

While Demo was bred from some of the most reknowed fighting dogs in history Demo would not bother a sole he would run the streets freely plaing with the neighborhood children after school and was a friend to a great many people around town.

The Colbys Dinah a black and tan female with her ears cropped often stood at attention and was the damn to Colbys jule.

Colbys Chinky was a black and tan female with almost no white on her one of his favorite dogs.
Louis Colby says within the years os 1945-1950 they had welped 3 other black and tan but non since then saing
"Those great genes must be gone"

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...e&dog_id=46346

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...e&dog_id=65053

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

An explanation of black and tan dogs by WSK





"Hey! That Dawg Don't Look Purebred..."

An explanation of the tan-point pattern sometimes seen in the American Pit Bull Terrier by Ed & Chris Faron.
Just where does the black and tan "Rottweiler looking" pattern come from, and is it a sign that an APBT is not purebred? Since this color pattern pops up more frequently in our bloodline than in some others, we have been asked about this on quite a few occasions. We thought we would take the time to write up a short article explaining this color pattern, how it is inherited, and where it comes from.

The tan point pattern is caused by a recessive gene on the Agouti series gene locus, the following are the alleles (variations) that are definitely known to occur in the American Pit Bull Terrier. There are also a couple of other genes on this same locus, but they are most likely not present in this breed, so we will ignore them in this article to try and keep things simple.

Agouti locus alleles present in the APBT A Dominant Black: produces a solid color (ie.black, chocolate or blue) see note below
ay Dominant Yellow - Produces reds and buckskins
at Tan-Point (recessive)- produces solid color with tan 'points'

Note: There is strong evidence to suggest that there are either two separate genes causing a solid black coat, or possibly even just one gene that is NOT on the agouti locus, but that is a whole different matter we'll save for another article. If black is in fact not an agouti locus gene then Dominant Yellow should be expressed as Ay instead of ay.

A dog needs to inherit two copies of the tan-point gene to be a black & tan. If a pup inherits one copy of the tan-point gene and one copy of the dominant yellow gene, which causes a red or buckskin coloration, then the dog will be red or buckskin, not black and tan. If the dog inherits one copy of the tan-point gene and one of the dominant black gene, the result will be a solid black dog. Because of the recessive nature of the tan-point gene, it can actually remain hidden in the gene pool for many generations without expressing itself. In the case of our breed (where this is not a common color) this is what often happens, but it is important to realize that when the tan-point pattern does pop up it is not some new color mutation that appeared out of nowhere, but rather the manifestation of a gene that has been present in this breed all throughout the known history of the American Pit Bull Terrier. Though it is impossible to say for sure where the coloration originated, our best guess would be that it came from some sort of terrier blood that was introduced many, many years ago, probably during the early formation of the breed in the British Isles.

Actually, part of the reason the color is uncommon is that there has been a distinct prejudice against it by many people, either because they feel it is not a typical Pit Bull color, or even actually thought it was the result of a mixed breeding. The latter reason shows an ignorance of basic genetic principles, because the gene is recessive, there is no way you could breed a Rottweiler or a Doberman or Manchester Terrier to a Pit Bull and get puppies with the tan-point markings unless the Pit Bull was carrying the tan-point gene too. If in fact the black and tan color was not present in the APBT gene pool, you would have to breed to a dog of another tan-point breed, and then breed two offspring from such a breeding back together to get black & tan dogs, in the first generation you would get no tan-pointed offspring.

The tan point gene does not actually create a black & tan animal, the gene itself does not produce any color but rather a pattern of a solid color with light-colored 'points'. These 'points' always appear in specific places but the actual size and distribution of them is somewhat variable. The exact coloration that is produced by the tan-point gene is dependant on the color genes present at other loci, for instance if the pigmentation is black, the result will be a black & tan, but if the dog's pigmentation is chocolate or blue then the pattern would produce a chocolate & tan or a blue & tan, respectively.

White markings are caused by an entirely different set of genes, and appear the same way on a tan-point dog as they would on any other color, if present -- a tan-point dog may even be spotted, in which case the spots would be two different colors depending on whether the spots were over areas where the tan-point pattern was present. Brindling, if the dog is a brindle, will only be seen in the tan points, in fact if the tan-point dog is very heavily brindled then the brindled areas may make the dog appear to be a solid color instead of a tan-point.

Another interesting thing to keep in mind is that the dominant yellow gene does not always mask the tan-point gene entirely; this is known as 'incomplete dominance'. With incomplete dominance, a buckskin or red dog that is carrying the tan-point gene will have the tan-point pattern visible in the form of a pattern of black (or chocolate, or blue) hairs mixed into the coat in the places a tan-point dog would have been solid colored. This is referred to as 'sabling' in most breeds.

Our own first encounter (besides seeing pictures in various books) with a tan-pointed APBT was a litter we had off a half brother-sister breeding off a son and daughter of our old Bandit dog. Bandit himself never threw a black & tan, because the bitches we were breeding him to (mostly Nigerino, Honeybunch, and Snooty bitches) did not carry the gene. He did throw a fair number of sabled pups, but at that time we were not that familiar with coat color genetics and it never occurred to us that these "dirty buckskins" as we called the color, were caused by the tan-point gene, as we had never seen a tan-pointed APBT firsthand. Then out of Renegade and Maggie came a litter of blacks and brindles -- and one big male marked just like a Rottweiler, except with brindling in the points. We picked him as our keeper because we thought his coloration was a novelty, in fact we named him "Wilside's Devil Dog" (call name Pitweiler) as a joke because of his markings; this attempt at humor would later cause us a bit of aggravation when someone who saw Pitweiler spread a rumor that we had a pet Rottweiler and were crossing it into our APBTS...

Anyway, Pitweiller was the first of numerous black & tans we have had since, plus a few chocolate & tans. Most of them came from doubling up on Bandit in some way or another, except for one breeding to an inbred Ch. Booker T bitch we made with Rapid Roy that resulted in a litter of mostly black & tans. We have also seen tan-pointed pups from several other bloodlines, so while the gene is fairly rare it is probably a lot more common than most people would think. Whether you find the tan-point pattern interesting and appealing, or think it makes a dog look like a "mutt", the fact is it has been a part of our breed for probably well over a century, and will continue to exist.

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

That's some good stuff Cynthia I didn't know Colby had tri's years ago ... I have always found that color pattern attractive on our breed I think our dogs look better with the color pattern than rotties do lol.

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

black and tan been around for a long time as you can see but where rare because they didn't breed for color back then like they do now.

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

Yep them sumbitches are rottie crosses alright!

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

Pops up in Boyles type bred dogs as well.

 

Re: What is with Tri color dogs ..If the Do looks like a Rottweiler how is it a Pit??

it pops up in all kinds of lines hell I had a half litter of tan and red dogs