Bait dog?

no i just think that it was no where near as common before it was advertised by the media. some lowlife in a back ally may have done it once or twice but once the media got a hold of it and exploited it, it then became more common place for these people to do. By no means should anyone consider me to be a supporter of dog on dog fighting. i just believe that the truth of it has been exploited and mutated by the media to make for a better story.
Just like PIT BULL ATTACks.

 

U.S. Dog-Fighting Rings Stealing Pets for "Bait"


"Mike Duffey of the Pima County Sheriff's Department"

I always wondered what happened to officer Duffey after the Scream movies.LOL.

 

Luigi, I'll try to present this in common sense terms. If your learning to become a boxer, chasing people down & beating them when they are'nt even defending themselves will in NO way aid you in the ring against a willing opponent. Having your 10 year old brother pitch to you will not aid you when triple A tryouts start. I understand what you're saying. "The Gamedog fanciers are only taking up for their ilk again" but you have to see that when it's laid out it really serves no purpose whatsoever. All it does is teach bad traits. Back in the 50's & 60's I've heard that they would never roll puppies together. Because what can one inexperienced pup teach another. They would typically use an older dog that did'nt have a very hard mouth to school out the young prospects.

 

Yes & No. It started off as propaganda & a term used just to create mass hysteria. The problem is since that term has been established, the media has also put on numerous articles (too many to count) detailing exactly HOW to use a "bait" dog to "train" a dog to "fight". (I use parentheses b/c this truly isn't training in any form). Since these articles & new stories, wanna be thugs & whatnot have decided that "hey this is cool" & "wow...that's how they do it" so now it's b/c a popular thing to do with these scum members of society.

Unfortunately this all backfired on the SPCA, however, they still don't understand this. Before they started in on all the "bait" this & "bait" that, only a handful of idiots were trying these "techniques". But now thanks to their popularization of giving out detailed how-to instructions, every idiotic, uneducated, pathetic "pit" owner is trying this b/c they think that that is truly how it's done. And the dogmen of old would have NEVER done that to innocent animals of other breeds & species.

 

Sympathy yes, but it also comfirms my belief that this breed is not for the public and rightfuly should only be handled by the proffesional. What part of the woods are you in? I would like to cross post your post.

Regards.

 

Excellent post!!!

Regards.

 

Very intelligent and enlightened response.

 

Anyone that takes a dog that don't want to fight and puts a so called gamedog on it has no respect for the true sport. Schooling a dog is 50/50 it works or it dont. Street fighting culls are turned away or left to die and along comes the media to do a story on how this helpless dog was used as bait. If the people would do the right thing and get rid of the cur we would not have this issue. Anyone that can't put a bullet in one dont need this dog! Not being mean but say one of my dogs bit my son and a person found out that I shot the dog. If the media finds out about it the story would go like this! The dog was missunderstood and the owner was not taking care of the dog properly or the child was unsupervised and what ever else they could spice it up with. Media is bad and they live to report on your personal issues.

 

Willie,
Most don't understand what the gamedog is nor have they ever had the pleasure. Now the topic is why the term "bait dog is so widely used on a preconcieved Idea. I know and knew when I posted the original question the meaning or term behind it.

With all the education out there, I still wonder why this term is accepted as a legit ploy comcerning the APBT. The reply's to this particular thread have been consistant with that saying that the AR groups and our legsilators are responsible for this cruelty they have bestowed on this breed.

Reagards.

 

"This breed is not for the public and rightfully should only be handled by the professional?" The professional what? Isn't this and yet another form of restriction on the breed, not much different than the restrictions bsl attempts to put forth? There are either restrictions on ownership of pitbulls or there are not.

I don't agree that this breed is not for the public, and that comment further plays into the hype about these dogs.

Maybe I misunderstood what this forum is about. Do the majority of people on here agree with Slick Willie's last post from yesterday---because if so, maybe I took a wrong turn in the road being here. Putting bullets in dogs isn't a thought that has ever even entered my head.

Good luck all . . . peace.

 

I am not exactly sure what slick willie is implying, other than stating that if one of his dogs is a manbiter he wouldn't hesitate to euth the dog, if he stating something else then I am just missing it. I am sure it is acceptable in some parts of the country to shoot your dog, here it would be considered animal cruelty. Don't think you made a wrong turn with this forum, everyone here has something to offer, that is what makes it a good forum. I also am not sure what a "professional" means. I think any working breed needs to be kept busy, and trained the correct way. Some breeds and paticular dog personalitys need the right person. Breeders in general need to stop ruining all breeds of dogs.

 

It don't matter if they agree with me! I take care of my own and dont leave it up to a pound or Vet to do the dirty work. I help bring them into the world and help take them out of it also. Some of you ***For such a big man, it seems You are the one that needs to grow up! Talk like a respectable adult or keep it shut***. If you have never thought about it then you don't cull your dogs! Chop its nuts and give it away to someone is an option but I don't have time to play with curs.

 

My mistake, I thought you were referring to only the manbiters.

 

A more appropiate word for "professionals" is EXPERIENCED. I do believe this breed is not for the general public. General public= inexperienced. I believe there should be prerequisites (not restrictions) to owning dogs that have the potential to harm living beings (humans and animals).

White is not always White, and Black is not always Black. Look between them and you will see an array of colors!

 

So what about the general public who has done their research and hopes to become one of the "experienced"? Those who do their absolute best in learning about the APBT and in keeping the dog out of situations where potential for damage can be done?

 

It is the responsibility of anyone who chooses to own & or breed these dogs to make sure they do their best to place these dogs into the hands of people who have the breeds best interest at heart. There are way to many people breeding for profit with these dogs. There are to many people who are not responsible enough to give these dogs the time & care they require. There are to many people who are not willing to accept the history of this breed & treat these dogs like any other breed, & in doing so are ill-equipped to respond to "accidents" or other situations that may arise due to the breeds origin. This is what was meant by experienced or professionals having them. This is all a matter of FACT. When was the last time you saw an educated responsible bulldog owner on TV because of something that happened with their animal?

 

Hmmm.... *thinking*.....

*still thinking*......

*brain hurts from thinking too much*.......

Well, can't say I have seen that on television before.

 

SFK you must be reading my mind! Everyone wants to think they are Professional doggers but we know as owners how hard it is to come up from the bottom learning new info everyday. A person gets a pit and now they know it all! How many times I have seen and heard this crap. I have been with some rough people dealing with this breed and must say, I would have been better off not knowing them. If your happy with what you do on your yard thats all that counts. When I first started out, a Dogger told me the % of owners that will talk crap is show breeders because we think different. One thing is true, a cur is a cur is a cur!!! Not a bait dog, a cur! There is no such thing as a bait dog in the real world but in Media Land Toto gets his butt tow up by stupid kids playing gangsta dogpunk! Pull your paints up fool! This ant pickle bender Prison.

 

Well, then we disagree..It is in my oppinion that it's the public & AR groups & our legistlators that have created this term and Idea "bait dog". So why should the public be encouraged to continue to perpetrate this term "baitdog"?
Does it inturn bennifit the breed or does it fuel the way for more bsl?

So do I want this breed to be availible to the public...No, but not to impose upon your right to do so.

I dont think my comment play's into the hype that they have created, I'm stating my conclusion on this topic.


Regards.

 

No, however it is illegal, there is no conspiracy theory. Propaganda is why it's illegal.

Regards.