Garner's price jump ???

again, who cares about the information that garner ships worldwide? and send dogs to ireland?
everyone knows that garner ships worldwide, and maybe i happens before that garner send dogs to ireland?
and no one is interested in the info that you would let your bitch tagged from a imported garner dog or a turtle or a bully or a stb or a AST

 

i care olrts u shit ass star member ;-))

 

go over 100 posts and became a star member too kiddo

 

That's one of the problem's in the Isles. People such as yourself wanting to breed an unchecked puppy to an unchecked dog. Why? Because a dog's an imports dosen't mean they're good.
Why not wait a few year's and see if your gyp is good enough to be bred from, by then hopefully the import's might themselves have proven worthy of being bred from.

 

Garner has pups of El Negro available at the moment! So he has frozen semen of El Negro? 1500 each pup! What do you think, is it worth it?
http://tom-garner-kennels.com/El_Negro_x_Carmen_03-12.shtml

 

like the haystax 1s to

 

This whole thread is laughable, a shitload of misinformed fools disputing shit they know nothing about. How do you make a bike roll along?

NGK

 

exactly united .. this butch cass fella is all over the internet talkin shite about his boudreaux dogs , they are boudreaux crosses bred off a man biting bitch that is of unknown breeding , the female pup he said he would breed to an import is a cull and shouldnt even be fed never mind bred . i doubt he will ever get a stud off another dogmans dog again because he's like the evening news telling everybody other peoples buisness .

 

you have to ask yourself that question. i dont see anything wrong with it and could imagine that he could get quite a bit more for them el negro dogs. its a fair price being that he is only charging 1500 for them. im sure other places would be charging 2000+if they to AI off frozen seamen. the only dogs i like over there are the el negro rip/bobby, sluggo/santos, genghis,rosco and them earl dogs.

 

opps i left out crocodile and hickson too lol. red boy id go to PIK for them.

 

Ok so actually you like a lot from his yard!

 

i guess im guilty.

 

and who knows that the the pups really off of el negro semen? no one, maybe he paper hanging nothing more, but oh i forgot the dogs are registered by sdr, who owns sdr?

dont trust stuff you cant proof

 

I havent said that!

@olrts
So you say Garner cant be trusted?

 

read garners statement why he doesnt work with adba anymore, and talk to me if you trust him after this story?

 

i dont want say "dont trust garner"
i will say read his statement about adba, listen the storys about wrong papers, and then choose for yourself if you trust him or not.

for me i can say i dont trust him, but i never buyed a dog from garner and never will be buy one from him, so its not my problem.

 

Ive read it and here it is again so everyone can read it again.

Most of you know that I am a very high profile breeder who is a target of ongoing investigations, federal and otherwise. About one year ago, my lawyer learned through an investigator we hired that the government had been able to determine through contact with the ADBA the exact number of pups I have produced and sold during the past ten years. Armed with this information, the IRS is now auditing me, and heaven knows when it might evolve into a criminal investigation.

Further, my investigator tells us that there is an ongoing attempt to link fighting dogs, particularly champions, recognized in the SDJ and other magazines to their breeders. Breeding a fighting dog makes you a felon just like fighting that dog does. The information provided to me indicates that at least one person at the ADBA has been cooperating with the government in this regard. The government has highly accurate and specific information about my breeding activities that could not be obtained from any other source.

When this information came my way, I made the only decision that anybody with any nutsack would make. I made a decision to stop doing business with the ADBA. Why would I feed the dog that bites me? I could have done the comfortable thing and continued to follow the easy path, but that's what a cur does.
In order to save face when I took my business elsewhere, the ADBA suggested that they had stopped doing business with me because I wouldn't send in DNA. This is complete bullshit. I had stopped doing business with the ADBA for six weeks when they came up with this idea. Sending in DNA would have been the final nail in the coffin. If the government had DNA on my Frisco dog, they could use it every time they bust anyone with a dog off Frisco to prove Frisco is the sire and then charge me with selling dogs to dogfighters. With today's intent laws, a DNA link from my stud to a busted dogfighter's dog would be fatal, irrefutable evidence.

Do you people not understand this? Why in hell would you want to do business with an organization that will sell you out? When you register a dog with the ADBA, any government organization that wants to persecute you will have your name, address, and the number of dogs you own. They will know where you bank and your account number if you pay with a check. If you register a litter of pups, your name goes in the "breeder of fighting dogs" file.
The truth is that the only dogs that the ADBA has targeted in their coverup story is Frisco dogs born after January, 2001. Technically, any of you people that can't hear what I am saying can register any other of my dogs with the ADBA. However, if I know beforehand that you intend to put my name in their files, I won't do business with you.



it sounds like a good damn reason to make your own registry if you can do it.

 

for you its a good reason to trust him, for me its a good reason to hung with wrong papers, have seen too much bullshitters in the bulldogworld, i dont wanna say tg is a bullshitter too, but for me its a reason that i never would purchase a dog from him.

as i said its a personal choice if people trust him or not.

but make your own registry its not really hard, would you trust other guys with their own registry?

 

part2
As far as frozen sperm goes, I was the first to use this procedure with my Gr Ch Spike in 1989. The procedure was unnecessarily expensive and time consuming. At that time it was necessary to travel to Houston for the procedure and the cost was prohibitive. After considerable study of the subject, I purchased a nitrogen tank in 1995 and trained in the technology necessary for storing sperm. I was sorely disappointed that Ch Chinaman died before we could collect semen from him. I vowed that I would not make the same mistake with Frisco.

After consulting with some folks in university veterinary programs and also with folks in the cattle industry that use these procedures, I realized I did not need a veterinarian to effectively use frozen semen. Freezing semen, then later using that frozen semen is a highly specific, but relatively simple procedure. The procedure is nicely presented in the Camelot Farms website (Camelot Farms - Home). Surgery is not required and a veterinarian is not required. Dogmen of the future will take advantage of this technology, or be left in the dust of those who do.
Using frozen semen is yesterday's news. We have used only a small portion of the semen we stored during the 5 years we collected from Frisco. Tomorrow's news is that both Frisco and Lee Ling have their tissue in a cloning program. When the technology is perfected, we wil have clones of both of these great producers. Undoutedly, there will be whiners that doubt some aspect of that technology when it happens too.

The dogs I produce are the best in the world and will only continue to get better. The reason for this is that I have assimilated lines that withstand close breeding and it is easy enough to maintain the great physical capabilities of these dogs without resorting to the complete gamble of outcrossing. Many of the most successful programs in the world today are the product of my understanding, my fair business practices, and my integrity. I am the same man I have been throughout the 24 years of my breeding career and when I tell you a dog is from a particular breeding, you can bet your life on it.

I have eyes good enough to see what's in front of me and judgement better than most. I know enough not to step in a pile of shit when it lies in my path. Based upon the facts that have been demonstrated to my satisfaction, I will do registration business with whom I goddamned well please. Any of you who can't digest these obvious points, who think that papers from a registry that has become far too mainstream have more worth than the dogs should buy your dogs elsewhere. I am WalMart and I don't have to please everyone. If I pleased all of you, it would probably mean I am kissing way too much ass.

For those of you who can see your noses in front of your faces, you can have your cake and eat it too. You can have one of the best dogs in the world, at a fair price, and have your choice of two excellent registries, either Bona Fide or the Sporting Dog Registry. I recently spoke with Mr Mims and I can assure you he is not in bed with the feds. He will guarantee the fast and accurate service you deserve. Those of you who have done business with him in the past know his word is good. He knows my integrity and honors all dogs and paperwork from my program. Likewise, after a slow start due to some unforseen personal issues, the SDR is now geared up to provide absolutely safe (outside the US) registration services to those who choose to register my dogs.

 

well you obviously dont know what type of heat he was under then arround that time with that frisco dog. everyone had them dogs both for sporting, show, and family house pets. they could have thrown the Rico act at him if his suspicions were true.