Puppy Peddling on this Site.

I had to make this thread after seeing the feature article "So You Think You Are Going To Make Money Breeding" (or something like that).
It is interesting how you can't advertise pups for sale, but how many people have their kennels web page link listed on their profile or signature? Most of these have pups and breedings listed. To me that is the same as advertising pups on this site. Also interesting is all the people saying get your dog fixed when they themselves are breeding Buff's.
Another thing is I always felt this was a place to educate people on the APBT. To me and others the term "Pit" is ghetto slang for anything that has APBT in it or looks like an APBT. I've never talked to an old timer or for that matter a well known modern dog man that used the name "Pit" when talking about their dogs. Either use American Pit Bull Terrier or better bull dog (which is what many people do). Pits are either under your arms or in the backyard for burying curs.
If this offends anyone well then maybe you are part of the problem.

 

I hate the word 'pit' in reference to our dogs! It bugs the hell out of me.

As far as kennel links in the signatures, I don't see a big problem with it. People are proud of what they do, why not show it? Plus, removing the links from signatures is not going to get rid of puppy peddlers from the forum, because I don't know about the rest of you, but I've gotten a few PMs involving that stuff as it is. I think it would affect more good people than it would get rid of the bad.

 

I agree. At this point in time, I am of the belief that no one should be advertising litters to anyone outside of their own "circle". Good, qualified homes for this breed are hard to find and advertising publicly is not helping the cause. Stick to who you can trust. As a general rule, I've found the best breeders on this site do not advertise, and for good reason!

However, I don't believe they need to be removed. There is more than ample information on this site for people to learn the difference between a good and bad breeder.

As far as "pit" goes, I can also agree with that. While we're at it... Let's knock out "pittie", "pibble", and "pet bull"!

 

I know there are people on this forum who breed APBTs or "so-called" APBTs and sell them. Perhaps they are part of the problem. Perhaps it is better to leave them on the forum and perhaps they will see the error of their ways and do better by the breed. After belonging to the forum for a while and reading many posts by many people one can get a sense of who is "slinging the bull". I'm really NOT in favor of not letting people have links to their kennel websites. Visit the links and form your own opinion like everyone else does. I enjoy this forum because we have a mix of "pit bull" owners. Discussions sometimes get heated and some users have decided other users are not helping the breed. Then over time, I have seen some users change their minds about what they are doing with their dogs. I think that is a good thing.
As far as using the term "pit bull", I think it is something that is a big issue with many here. I try to say APBT or AmStaff now. But the general public needs education, not to be vilified. Ignorance is curable, stupidity isn't. If one wishes to change another's opinion, it is best to approach that person rationally and respectfully. I, myself, am more amenable to some one who says.."I think you are wrong and here's why" rather than listen to someone who says, "You are stupid and a bad person." Which person would you listen to yourself?
I've learned a whole lot on this forum. I thought I knew more than I did, when I came here. I have learned a lot from the users here who are willing to be friendly and rational. Some of the most experienced with this breed are willing to help newcomers to the breed and have admitted that they don't know everything. Try and keep an open mind, it may do some good for the APBT breed. I do not think we should vilify people who use the term "pit bull." When people use it, I don't think they realize how it offends some of the other users of this forum. I do not think they use the term on purpose to offend.
I think Shon and the moderators are to be commended for having and maintaining this forum. There is certainly a broad mix of dog owners here. And I think it is good to interact with each other and share perspectives. Some people are breeders of fine bloodlines, other people are pet owners, some people are hunters, some have therapy dogs, weight pullers, show dogs, a huge mix. I am in favor of learning about each others perspectives. The APBT is such a versatile breed, I like that I can come here and learn about all the wonderful things people can do with their APBTS. And I think that having an APBT pet is a wonderful thing.
I hope you will stay and share more of your opinions, Scotsman. I suspect that there are people here who are breeding substandard dogs for money, but maybe they will learn better if they are allowed to stick around.
I don't have the time, money, knowledge, nor inclination to breed dogs myself. But I enjoy reading from those who do. And I know my pet, Blue, who is my icon and who is a spayed rescue, gets better care now than she would have if I had never been exposed to game-dog.

 

I think it is one thing to have a link to you kennel but another thing to have pups and breedings listed on it.
To me that is just getting the rule of no advertising. I just think that if you are going to list your website in your signature than maybe you shouldn't be allowed to have pups for sale and breedings listed.
I am glad you agree on the "Pit" thing, GSD and Pip. When I am walking a dog and some one asks me if that is a "Pit" I just look at them confused shrug and walk away.

 

I didn't say Pit bull I said "Pit" or "Pitt"

 

alot of people just say pit or pit bull because it is shorter to type, But we all know what they are talking about so why question it. We all know it is the american pit bull terrier but everytime we want to say that we just dont type it all just put pit or pit bull.

 

I agree with you. Their are to many people that act like they love the breed and than turn around and breed unproven dogs. I hate BYB's. The worst part is the people who tell others to get their dogs fixed than you look at their kennel link and they are nothing but a joke. They talk a big game then turn around and breed dogs they shouldn't be bred. You are not the only person that noticed this Scotsman.

 

APBT is pretty easy to type and I stay away from people that talk about "Pits" or "Pitts", these people usually have very little knowledge of the breed.

 

Thanks Baker!!!

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bakerbt again.

 

Well, I know our link in our sig. (which is no longer there) for arguments sake. I surely don't want anybody to think that we peddel pups, because we do not. But we have never had more than one litter per year and I couldn't count the number of people that we have turned down wanting to buy a pup from us. I would rather keep them as opposed to any of them getting in the wrong hands. If someone wants one for a "PET" then he/she does not leave here without first being "fixed" and then it is only to someone who we approve of.
The only litter we will have this year is going to split between us and the owner of the male (WSK). Just because some people peddel their asses off doesn't mean that they all do.
Just because some breed to whatever they can, doesnt mean they all do.

As far as "pit" goes, I feel the same way. My husband asd I have been talking about it a lot lately.....I never really paid that much attention to it until I found out just recently where there name "PIT" came from. I hate it that it is in our name and are looking to get it changed, hopefully we can without too much hassle. I guess we will see.

Good post by the way!

 

ghetto slang ? your a corn ball , bet you wouldnt say that in philly " homeboy "

 

Wow :rolleyes:

"Pitt" is an actor. "Pit" is a hole. "Pit bull" is a type of dog. APBT is a breed.

 

I know I would home slice. Just so you know I live in the ghetto, it was nice at one point, but it is ghetto now.

 

Home slice...LOL

 

It is ghetto slang, just like many words many ppl use. Nothing wrong with characterizing a word, because i do believe that is where it originated from. And their are many ghetto's besides blacks and hispanics ones, so dont get your panties all up in a bunch because you think theirs some racist alterior motive going on.

And the only reason i agree with that is cause thats how it is here, thats how its always been here. I use the word bulldog and everyone points to the short bully. And sh!t yeach i try to educate every single "homeboy" i can over here. Why? Are they suppose to beat your ass for telling them its ghetto to use "pit" as a label for the APBT? Worse they gonna do is bust out their 100lb "pit" and challenge you to a fight against your "laughable" 40lb bulldog.

 

I had my sites in the sig but they are simple and nothing about my dogs but a brief intro and contact information. I don't know if I even have a photo of any dogs at all on it. It makes it simple to update too. Never anything to update. lol

Keep it simple stupid. Just like grandpa always said to keep things. Base your relationships upon friendship. And iffen your going to let a pup go know who that person is and make sure he is a friend. I say he but there are dogwomen as well. I have met a few on this site that know more about this breed and the care of such than most men.

I have often been asked about why I have nothing about breeding or my dogs and such. This thread should make that clear as to why now. Keep what litters you have among friends. To me if and when I breed and let a dog go it is a life long relationship between every one involved to include the dogs.

I don't care for the term pit or pitt. I pisses me the hell off. I know I am talking to an idiot at that point in time. But there is a long list of things that one could point out as flaws among folks and their dogs and ways in life. Breeding strait up currs, mutts, dogs that don't and wont hunt. I don't like it but some how we have to reach them and educate them to do otherwise. However there is a link section of this site that you can enter your site for business matters. There are many that have sites for various supplies and what not. I don't really have a problem with the sites. Some have good sites some don't, some breed currs some don't. some breed show dogs and so forth. I don't ask. I do like looking at other peoples dogs. At one time I had to travel to see someones dogs. I can click on their gallery or link and look at them with out driving across the country. Not that you can tell character from a photo but you can tell if it is a mutt and save a trip.

As far as Ghetto slang and such. I don't really use any, Maybe some hick slang. There are allot of new words I have learned here like bling = shinny shit and grill = metal shit on teeth. I don't reckon I am into either. But to each his or her own on that. I talk and act the same no matter where I go. Even when I do know what a person is trying to say with the bull shit slang I act like I don't.

 

You and me both brother.. thats my biggest complaint at work trying to translate the ghetto slang into english. I have to transcribe statements for inmates that can't read or write. I can't understand half of wht I write for them.

 

Try asking them if they want to be represented as such. If you can't understand it the judges and those in charge at the prison likely can't either. I would like to be clear if I was stuck in a cell. But that is me.