Heatstoke during a keep?

Well I guess thats your diagnosis right there AGK LMAO.

P.S. WATER (water hose) and SHADE LOL.

 

It wasn't like he showed any signs and when he did it was already happening. I raised the dog from around 13 weeks old and exercised that mofo damn near every other day starting when he was about 10 months old on for 3 years, always keeped around 2 - 3 lbs. from his dance weight. Prior to the incident, he was always worked hard, he loves to work and it always showd. Still does to this day. Its been a year almost since. Never relapsed (yet). He wasn't worked yet when this happened, we just went for a walk to warm up, 20 minutes later he was down. That's what was odd to me. It didn't seem very hot out and we were in a cemetery with tons of shade but I do remember it being very humid out. I pay close attention to them when we walk or run or anything that involves physical activity and never had this happen before, even in hotter weather and being worked way harder than what we were doing.

I do like where the thread has gone though, very
informative and that's what I was looking for

 

Good post Sadie.

 

Oh i was just saying in general not a swipe at u r anything.

 

Lol I'm just going to chalk it up as it was a combination of exhaustion, dehydration and choking himself out by pulling to hard. I'll never really know I suppose, just thought it would make a good conversation piece.

 

I didn't think that,
And a valid point you made.

 

LOL Unless you have a better one Saiy.... The last part of my post was the most important piece when in doubt always consult a vet some people are too cheap or too stupid to know when it's time to take their hounds to the vet. Not saying anyone here that's just a general statement just so my statement doesn't get taken out of context.

 

outside is not the office .2 different places . i know i'm old but if they lived i will do it again . sometimes you have to get outside and do it with whatever you have . and you have to drink alot of water to get toxic . when you work outside in the heat and are working hard you better have water to replace what you lost on a human . on a dog they still will need it if things are bad and they are starting stubbling . you better know how to look at your dog in the heat or it might get bad. like rm. revolution said pull over and stop in the shade and give it a drink . don't let it drink to much. put more on the head and let them lick it when it's falling over their face . i only tell you what i know nothing more .

 

sadie nobody said to throw the dog in ice just put some on head.Your vet should know that during a heat stroke it is the brain that is most at risk of irreversible damage and must be cooled down as quickly as possible.Damn vet so busy worrying about cooling the body down slowly like thats hard to do and letting the brain keep frying.Again ice on the head Again head only while slowly cooling the body will not cause shock.Yes u need to cool the body down slowly but that brain has to be cooled asap.A very good old vet i knew said these vets today dont no jack.So busy worried about making money.shit some to squeemish to even be vets if u ask me.And books r great but no sub for hands on and usually just the experience of someone who put hands on before u.

 

Old Goat I have a lot of respect for you and your knowledge that's why I said please don't get offended we just disagree on the ice part being that putting ice on an overheated dog could cause the temp to drop too quickly resulting in other complications that's what I know from how I have seen the condition treated. I am a mother so I have taken my kids to the ER and the doctor more than a few times I am probably even more in tune with my kids and dogs since I have that motherly intuition I am very comfortable doing a lot of different things with my dogs I have stapled wounds, ran Iv's, given shots, bandaged limbs, administered drugs, not too much I wouldn't feel comfortable doing with the dogs but to me I still know I am not a vet and knowing when it's time to take them in even more important than trying to play vet at home. If my dogs life was in danger because of heat stroke I would know what to do to stabilize him on the way to the vet but I wouldn't not take the dog in to the vet in a situation like that vets have access to things like X-ray machines, blood labs to perform certain tests and be able to interpret the numbers and a bunch of drugs that I couldn't get without an RX ... so vets are there for a reason and sometimes they are needed and somethings should not be treated at home.

 

That last part I agree for sure. My last vet was a money monger. After 15 years of going to this Guy and i even interned for him before graduating from a vet tech program I brought in a bitch in that needed an emergency c-section he then called ( or one of his staff) called A.C on me and the police on my ex partner. I now go to a country vet that is about 25 minutes drive from me and he seems good but I don't trust any of them around here.

 

Yeah AGK finding a good vet especially one that even likes our breed is a task in itself LOL. I have been looking for one that can come to me lol I prefer a onsite vet or one who is mobile ...

 

well sadie damn . let me twell you what happen this summer . i was work cutting trees in the botoms . and it went from 117 to 127 real quick . we were drinking the whole time and watching my dog and she was drinking to . i seen her stubble and grabbed her and putting her in the truck and turn the a/c on and got p of ice to cool her head . it's 1 damn hour to town at 80 mph and good luck if he's in because it was saturday after lunch . and small town quit early so he would of had to come back . i would never say i am playing a vet you did . i say i was saving my dog . tell me how many dogs have you saved from heat stroke ?

 

a cup of lol . and i'm not feeling direspected . i no some times it's hard to understand unless you've seen it done or did it yourself . again revolution knows .

 

LOL you are taking my posts personal I never said "YOU" were "Playing" vet I said people do and the problem is they don't know when it's time to take them in and they end up loosing dogs because of it. I have never had a dog of mine suffer from heat stroke but I have had friend whose dog did I was there when it happened and was able to recognize the dog was suffering from heat stroke and we acted quickly on the way to the vet the ac was running and we had the dog covered in cool cloths the vet told us if we didn't take him in the dog would have died. This dog has been out in the heat playing ball dog was in good shape no underlying medical issues it happened quickly.

 

No you are getting upset that's apparent by your responses you are taking things personal and reading more into my posts than need be. I have told you a million and one times very respectfully that we can agree to disagree and you want to get upset and than try and insult me by throwing out the fact that you have so many years of experience so surely you must know more than everyone else here even MD's who went to school for 8+ years.I am not going to be so nice to you the next time around as I have tried to respectfully disagree with you on a civil level but you keep putting words in my mouth and now you want to try and insult me because I disagreed with your techniques ?... I don't care if you live to be 100 years old and have seen a billion dogs you still don't know everything sir and just because you have done things one way and have been lucky enough not to loose a dog doesn't mean it's the right way of doing things. Now cheers to that cup of lol The next one is on me!

A fool despises good counsel, but a wise man takes it to heart.
-- Confucius

 

Lol excellent posts Sadie!

He always takes it as a personal insult when someone disagrees with him and proves him wrong. This is not the first time. Or it will be the last. If you prove him wrong he then says well I have been in dogs for "___" years. Then it goes to insults.

Sorry sir just because you have been lucky enough to not have done any outward harm does not mean it was the correct way to treat. Just like people that use burnt motor oil for skin conditions and swear buy it. It has been done for years. Never mind that it is toxic. Old Goat the dog may recover. But your eyes are not microscopes you cannot see what internal organs have been damaged.

Do you not think the reason why they know that it will cause shock and internal organ damage is because they have done testing/necropsies in the exact subject matter. It is not someone pulling info out of their ass. Lol

 

Amen to that Cynthia and lady above me works in a vets office she sees this stuff day in and out but that doesn't count either I suppose. If you notice goat I don't parade around the forum playing cyber dogman I keep it real I dont lie about the fact I haven't been in the dogs all my life but one thing I am not is an idiot and I take great pride in my dogs and how I care for them I am also never too old to further my education and knowledge I learn something here everyday even from the idiots lol. This could be an educational thread for the newbies and seasoned dog folks if people could learn to put aside their egos for a moment and listen to others advice and expirence yes even someone like myself who was born in 79 in diapers while you were doing dogs a lot has changed since then you know.

 

And you would be 100% correct this is what we have been saying for 5 pages Ghost, Cynthia, and myself. This the right way to do it not "OUR" right way but how the medical professionals in the field recommend doing it. You can do whatever you want but you have to be aware of the potential ill side effects you could encounter by trying to take a dogs temp down too fast and that is something to be concerned about for every action there is a reaction and not every reaction is a positive one. Good Post Slim12